Originally Posted by duvie (Post 3130662)

I honestly don’t know if you care to interpret this any other way than the union is selling you out, but this was already happening and completely legal:

I was settling into my middle seat from Chicago to San Fran, thinking about motorcycle parts I could buy with my new found money… The gate agent came on board and gave me a new ticket. I told him I was comfortable where I was, and he replied “well you can sit wherever you want, but the system is going to show you in your new seat“

as someone who has sat reserve for a lot of his UAL time, the middle seat provision has been very kind to my checkbook (lots of pairing repair with DHs).​​​​ however, something happened about two years ago, and the system got smart enough to identify deadheading pilots and push them out of middle seats whenever it could. Often I would check in for a flight and have a middle seat assigned, but by the time I scanned my boarding pass, I would’ve been pushed to a new (non middle) seat

Originally Posted by rvfanatic (Post 3130619)

Termination triggers:

4. Passenger revenue reaches 80% of 2019 level for a single quarter.

5. Passenger revenue reaches 70% of 2019 level for three consecutive quarters.

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“Passenger” is important because it takes away “cargo” revenue (which has been successful) from the equation for terminating the LOA and getting us back to full pay.

Originally Posted by vipereaglebus (Post 3130647)

How about this nugget they slid in there. A BRAND NEW paragraph as it relates to middle seat pay:

5-C-1-g-(1) Notwithstanding section 5-C-3, a pilot may be re-seated out of an Economy Plus middle seat into an Economy Plus aisle or window seat if such seat is made or becomes available (due to any reason) prior to Departure.

So the gate agent can tap you on the shoulder just prior to door close and give you a misconnect's window seat. I'm not sure if this was allowed before (it's never happened to me like that), but there's a reason the company added this language....and it will likely stay in our contract for a looong time.

Originally Posted by Poss (Post 3130676)

If there's an over sell situation, you will get downgraded for a pax using miles to upgrade.

Originally Posted by Poss (Post 3130670)

This is a huge point. Airlines will be scrambling for market share. There will a blood bath of fare sales. Who has the cash to endure cheap tickets and grab market share? Southwest. The airlines know revenue recovery is far off on the horizon.

24 mos of cuts for 9 mos of furlough protection

Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 3130418)

I believe that TI said it passed unanimously did he not?

Originally Posted by Master of FiFi (Post 3130678)

Not true. 5-C-1-e.

Originally Posted by Poss (Post 3130670)

This is a huge point. Airlines will be scrambling for market share. There will a blood bath of fare sales. Who has the cash to endure cheap tickets and grab market share? Southwest. The airlines know revenue recovery is far off on the horizon.

24 mos of cuts for 9 mos of furlough protection

Originally Posted by duvie (Post 3130662)

I honestly don’t know if you care to interpret this any other way than the union is selling you out, but this was already happening and completely legal:

I was settling into my middle seat from Chicago to San Fran, thinking about motorcycle parts I could buy with my new found money… The gate agent came on board and gave me a new ticket. I told him I was comfortable where I was, and he replied “well you can sit wherever you want, but the system is going to show you in your new seat“

as someone who has sat reserve for a lot of his UAL time, the middle seat provision has been very kind to my checkbook (lots of pairing repair with DHs).​​​​ however, something happened about two years ago, and the system got smart enough to identify deadheading pilots and push them out of middle seats whenever it could. Often I would check in for a flight and have a middle seat assigned, but by the time I scanned my boarding pass, I would’ve been pushed to a new (non middle) seat

Originally Posted by Master of FiFi (Post 3130678)

Not true. 5-C-1-e.