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Old 02-09-2021 | 09:54 AM
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So basically you need to have a ton of disposable income or cash on hand to foot the tax bill for the rollover?

Or you could just rollover a little bit each year...


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Old 02-09-2021 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by WhisperJet
So basically you need to have a ton of disposable income or cash on hand to foot the tax bill for the rollover?
Well that kind of depends, but the short answer is that no, you would not necessarily be paying ANY taxes for this.

The key to avoiding tax on the conversions is having a zero balance in any traditional IRA accounts on December 31 of the year you make the conversion. If you do this, you aren’t subject to the pro-rata rule responsible for the taxes in question.

If you put $6k into your t-IRA then make the conversion, there wouldn’t be any taxes on that money since you were using after-tax funds and you (presumably) had not claimed that deduction on your taxes yet.
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Old 02-09-2021 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by NotMrNiceGuy
Or you could just rollover a little bit each year...


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You could do that, or just roll your entire t-IRA balance into your employer’s 401(k) to get the balance to zero.
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Old 02-09-2021 | 10:30 AM
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You can roll funds into a Roth and pay the tax now. If you can afford the hellacious tax bill, you can create a giant pile of money to invest tax-free.

My Roth account is up over 10 percent since Jan 1st this year and went gangbusters last. If I can manage another 12-18 years above the sod, I can put a lot of money in my pocket and none in Uncle Sam's.
What are you doing....playing Monopoly? I'm sure your heirs will love having that pile of cash, but what does it do for you? Convert some of your Roth into a new boat, gas and bait and take advantage of what you've built before it's too late.
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Old 02-09-2021 | 10:42 AM
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If you're a young buck, you could always consider tossing X amount in each year. Some number that your budget will allow you to pay the tax upon. Invest wisely in the Roth. Make a tax free killing. And if at some point in the future our elected representatives decide to dip into our 401's, if the Roths are not included you will have safeguarded money.
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Old 02-09-2021 | 10:52 AM
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Don't get me wrong I think the Roth is a great tool. I'm a bit further down the trail than you, but I also think one should enjoy much if not most of what has been accumulated before becoming too old to enjoy it.
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Old 02-09-2021 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by YAKflyer
What are you doing....playing Monopoly? I'm sure your heirs will love having that pile of cash, but what does it do for you? Convert some of your Roth into a new boat, gas and bait and take advantage of what you've built before it's too late.
Bought a boat in August. New pickup the year before. Already thinking about the next boat and planning accordingly. Being able to use ALL of my returns from the Roth is the plan for that one. I take my leisure time seriously.

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Old 02-09-2021 | 12:34 PM
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Something to think about; from Schwab's website:

The backdoor Roth may not last forever

"Although this strategy has existed since 2010, the IRS has not officially commented or provided formal guidance on whether it violates the step-transaction rule. (When applied, this rule treats what are several different steps as if they were a single transaction for tax purposes.) Experts have mixed opinions on the likelihood of this happening, but the lack of a definitive ruling means there is some risk involved. If the IRS decides that the loophole is a violation, you could owe a 6% excise tax for overfunding your Roth.

If restrictions do come into play at some point, they could require backdoor Roth converters to pay a penalty or they might include a grandfather clause. In the meantime, it’s an option to consider."
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Old 02-09-2021 | 12:52 PM
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That might cause painful tears, fissures, and excessive bleeding within the immediate area of my rectum.
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Old 02-09-2021 | 01:55 PM
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Back to the original topic, another 6 months of support would be huge in getting us through the entire summer of vaccine distribution & growing travel demand, greatly increasing the likelihood that we’ll be at (or least very near) the 70% target by the time we revert to the pandemic LOA.

It it will also create an interesting market for competition- essentially providing an entire summer season with little to no risk of financial loss. Airlines that use this opportunity to make bold steps could potentially put themselves in a very strong position for the post-pandemic market, while those who “hunker down” & prepare for the approaching winter could find themselves left behind.

Lets hope UAL capitalizes on this moment with an aggressive growth strategy rather than getting stuck in a survival mindset.
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