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Old 04-06-2021, 04:01 PM   #21  
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Why donít you give up your job so that an extra new hire fitting this profile could be hired to replace you?
Lol seriously?Who hurt you?
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Old 04-06-2021, 04:12 PM   #22  
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Lol seriously?Who hurt you?
Serious. If having too many white guys is an issue for him, why not resign? Iíll tell you why. Because he doesnít care enough to inconvenience himself. But heís more than ok with a future new-hire not getting a job based on race. How convenient wouldnít you say?
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My good friend spent almost 20 years flying as an ex-pat after BubbleJet failed, all it in Asia (as Captain) for one airline or another. From what he tells me, nearly ALL of his FO's were VERY low-time pilots who managed to have the secret handshake and key to the cockpit. IOW, flying experience, skill, and merit had nothing to do with their stripes. Somedays, stuff happens. Who do YOU want next to you when it does? I don't care who you are, who your parents were, or who you choose to love... can you fly and keep your head on straight when the feces pings the fan blades?

All that being said, I have seen some guys with stellar resumes do incredibly stupid things in airplanes.
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There is a chasm between early outreach and modifying standards. Outreach that gets more people interested in aviation - that brings out the best of a more diverse and well qualified pool of candidates to United is just good policy. Full stop. Nobody is lowering standards and we get to build good pilots from the ground up with this program, so strawmanning one for the other is a lazy argument.

Agree with Vernon that we could probably all do better at encouraging the little girl or boy from any background to come up and check out the flight deck and not feel itís a hassle. We have a really great profession but it hasnít always been a really welcoming one.
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Who cares? United can hire, train, and place in the cockpit whoever they like.
That's not true.
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Old 04-06-2021, 05:25 PM   #26  
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As a white male, Iíve spent the last 22 years flying with 99 % white males. Iíve run out of things to talk about and welcome the diversity this might bring to a flight deck Iím a member of. As long as they are qualified to be in the seat, being them on. The difficult part of this ambitious goal (at least 2500 non white males trained/placed at United Express carriers and ultimately United Airlines over the next 10 years) is finding those individuals and steering them in our direction (through Aviate). We wonít be the only carrier trying to attract these underrepresented future pilots. I hope our Aviate group is looking into junior high visits etc where career decisions are often formed because we are really going to need a ton of interest in order to see 2,500 success stories in ten years.

Over the years Iíve noticed a trend. During boarding, young people (age 6-15) traveling with their parents may or may not be interested in stopping by the flight deck for a quick tour and pic and their parents often direct the interest. White parents are far more prone to nudge their kid into the cockpit for a tour. Iíve noticed several parents that were non-white smile at my offer but say things like ďhe/she doesnít need to be up there bothering you, or are you serious?Ē Non- white people donít often know pilots personally and therefore arenít as comfortable walking into a strange work environment while a larger percentage of whites do know or have airline pilots in their lives and feel more comfortable interacting with them in this setting. A cockpit visit confirmed my desire to do this for a living. I was around 6.
Dude, enough with the white guilt and self-loathing. You need to get out of the house more often.

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Two thoughts come to mind;

1. The USA is becoming a silly nation. The banana republic kind where corruption runs rampant and nothing gets done.

2. China is going to kick our ass.
China has to be feeling good right now. They won't militarily take on the US, but the US is toast.

https://www.amazon.com/Hundred-Year-Marathon-Strategy-Replace-Superpower/dp/1250081343
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Why does UAL863 on 28 June 1998 come to mind?
How does that come to mind?
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As a female, this is disappointing. The best candidates should be hired based on skills and qualifications, not a metric. It's going to make the whole lot of us (women, other minorities) seem less qualified because we were hired to meet a quota, not because we were best for a job. Eventually that will show and it'll hurt the reputation of those of us who were hired for the right reasons. I'm the only female at my current job (15 pilot part 91 gig) and I appreciate that I was hired for the quality of work I do and not to check a box. I'm sure my colleagues appreciate it, too.

This a step backwards, IMO.
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As a female, this is disappointing. The best candidates should be hired based on skills and qualifications, not a metric. It's going to make the whole lot of us (women, other minorities) seem less qualified because we were hired to meet a quota, not because we were best for a job. Eventually that will show and it'll hurt the reputation of those of us who were hired for the right reasons. I'm the only female at my current job (15 pilot part 91 gig) and I appreciate that I was hired for the quality of work I do and not to check a box. I'm sure my colleagues appreciate it, too.

This a step backwards, IMO.
Do you believe that men are inherently better pilots than women? I'm guessing (and would agree) the answer is no.

So why are there 10 male pilots at United for every 1 female? Because the pool of candidates to work at a major airline currently only allows for that.

The announcement by United isn't a quota to hire a certain number of female mainline pilots. It's a goal to have a certain percentage of female/minority candidates into their Aviate pipeline program by breaking down barriers to entry and partnering with non-traditional sources for recruiting.

Down the line this will eventually expand and improve the hiring pool for pilots at major airlines, where pilots will continue to be hired based on skills and qualifications.
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