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Old 08-20-2021 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by FlewNavy
There is a multi-billion dollar industry that doesn’t want this issue to go away. Classic example of “the doctor that doesn’t want the patient to get better”…
“There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.”


― Booker T. Washington

Some things never change. Racism is always bad…..unless used to your advantage.
Old 10-07-2021 | 07:24 AM
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Job Advertisements

It is illegal for an employer to publish a job advertisement that shows a preference for or discourages someone from applying for a job because of his or her race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information.

For example, a help-wanted ad that seeks "females" or "recent college graduates" may discourage men and people over 40 from applying and may violate the law.

Recruitment

It is also illegal for an employer to recruit new employees in a way that discriminates against them because of their race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information.

For example, an employer's reliance on word-of-mouth recruitment by its mostly Hispanic work force may violate the law if the result is that almost all new hires are Hispanic.



Application & Hiring

It is illegal for an employer to discriminate against a job applicant because of his or her race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information. For example, an employer may not refuse to give employment applications to people of a certain race.

An employer may not base hiring decisions on stereotypes and assumptions about a person's race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information.

If an employer requires job applicants to take a test, the test must be necessary and related to the job and the employer may not exclude people of a particular race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, or individuals with disabilities. In addition, the employer may not use a test that excludes applicants age 40 or older if the test is not based on a reasonable factor other than age.

If a job applicant with a disability needs an accommodation (such as a sign language interpreter) to apply for a job, the employer is required to provide the accommodation, so long as the accommodation does not cause the employer significant difficulty or expense.



https://www.eeoc.gov/prohibited-employment-policiespractices#application_and_hiring

How are airlines getting away with this? How is any company in any industry? Hasn't it been illegal for longer than most of us have been alive to make hiring decisions based on race and gender? (Yet this is exactly what they are doing in plain sight!). I'm not aware of any barriers that prevent anyone from any background (aside from MONEY) from training to be a pilot. People can be born poor in any race or as any gender.

Skill, training record, education, personality, adaptability, ability to work fast and under pressure are important factors to be considered for this job. I don't even see how race or gender is even relevant to this job. As others have said, some people are science minded or gear heads, others aren't interested in stuff like that at all. No one is stopping anyone from pursuing this path. This mentality is a huge step backwards. Grouping people by race or gender is utterly foolish and unacceptable.

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Old 10-07-2021 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ClearPr0p

Job Advertisements

It is illegal for an employer to publish a job advertisement that shows a preference for or discourages someone from applying for a job because of his or her race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information.



For example, a help-wanted ad that seeks "females" or "recent college graduates" may discourage men and people over 40 from applying and may violate the law.

Recruitment

It is also illegal for an employer to recruit new employees in a way that discriminates against them because of their race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information.



For example, an employer's reliance on word-of-mouth recruitment by its mostly Hispanic work force may violate the law if the result is that almost all new hires are Hispanic.





Application & Hiring

It is illegal for an employer to discriminate against a job applicant because of his or her race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information. For example, an employer may not refuse to give employment applications to people of a certain race.



An employer may not base hiring decisions on stereotypes and assumptions about a person's race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information.



If an employer requires job applicants to take a test, the test must be necessary and related to the job and the employer may not exclude people of a particular race, color, religion, sex (including gender identity, sexual orientation, and pregnancy), national origin, or individuals with disabilities. In addition, the employer may not use a test that excludes applicants age 40 or older if the test is not based on a reasonable factor other than age.



If a job applicant with a disability needs an accommodation (such as a sign language interpreter) to apply for a job, the employer is required to provide the accommodation, so long as the accommodation does not cause the employer significant difficulty or expense.



https://www.eeoc.gov/prohibited-empl...ion_and_hiring



How are airlines getting away with this? How is any company in any industry? Hasn't it been illegal for longer than most of us have been alive to make hiring decisions based on race and gender? (Yet this is exactly what they are doing in plain sight!). I'm not aware of any barriers that prevent anyone from any background (aside from MONEY) from training to be a pilot. People can be born poor in any race or as any gender.
Seems like it's be hard to advertise a job for a "hooters girl." And somehow, the last step club I went to didn't have any males on stage. Either there are exceptions, or it's not being enforced.

With that being said, I don't see how that's relevant to wanting to INCREASE diversity in a workforce. These limitations are all about preventing companies from refusing to be diverse.

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Old 10-07-2021 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by detpilot

With that being said, I don't see how that's relevant to wanting to INCREASE diversity in a workforce. These limitations are all about preventing companies from refusing to be diverse.

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Ask the people who are being turned away from the job because of their race or gender.. it's relevant to them! Many have tried for over 20 years with perfect resumes and a great attitude/personality.
Old 10-07-2021 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ClearPr0p
Ask the people who are being turned away from the job because of their race or gender.. it's relevant to them! Many have tried for over 20 years with perfect resumes and a great attitude/personality.

How do you know they were turned away because of their race or gender and not because there was a better applicant? Or do we judge the quality of applicants exclusively based on their race and/or sex?
Old 10-07-2021 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
How do you know they were turned away because of their race or gender and not because there was a better applicant? Or do we judge the quality of applicants exclusively based on their race and/or sex?
The law is the law, and we all know that many corporations are not honest and have ways to cover their own ass at the expense of fairness to workers.
I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this, I'll just leave you with my viewpoint here. I hope all of us have great careers, and we all end up exactly where we want to be.
Old 10-07-2021 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ClearPr0p
The law is the law, and we all know that many corporations are not honest.
I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this, I'll just leave you with my viewpoint here. I hope all of us have great careers, and we all end up exactly where we want to be.

Oh, so now corporations are “dishonest” if they don’t hire a minority or a woman over someone with better qualifications?

Racist much?
Old 10-07-2021 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Oh, so now corporations are “dishonest” if they don’t hire a minority or a woman over someone with better qualifications?

Racist much?
Actually I do believe a corporation is racist or sexist if they pass up somebody with better qualifications and hire based on race or gender.

My entire point is that race or gender doesn't matter. Did you miss that?
Old 10-07-2021 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ClearPr0p
Actually I do believe a corporation is racist if they pass up somebody with better qualifications and hire based on race or gender.

Unless they hire a woman or a minority, right?
Old 10-07-2021 | 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
Unless they hire a woman or a minority, right?
Have fun building those straw men.
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