UAL Vaccination
#1851
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worst case scenario is that the jabs carry long term adverse effects causing issues for our pilot population across all carriers. Just read the pilot briefing about pilot incapacitation that came out on the 13th. Might just be a reminder of procedures or there might be a datapoint that the company is seeing a trend in kinda like the packs and bleeds addition to the checklist due to flights taking off not pressurizing.
Going forward I would like to see pushback if any company tries to mandate booster shots to be considered “fully vaccinated”. I would like to see ALPA step in and draw the line or pick their hill to die on. If we do see an influx of vaccine injured pilots in the long run this issue sits squarely on their shoulders as an organization. Bottom line: they didn’t protect the most important aspect to air travel infrastructure.. pilots.
#1852
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If the economy stays up and airlines want to grow plus staff retirements I think there will be plenty of mainline jobs to go around. American is ramping up hiring now. They don’t require the vaccine yet. Corporate is booming. Maybe all of this will blow over and the mandates will end.
worst case scenario is that the jabs carry long term adverse effects causing issues for our pilot population across all carriers. Just read the pilot briefing about pilot incapacitation that came out on the 13th. Might just be a reminder of procedures or there might be a datapoint that the company is seeing a trend in kinda like the packs and bleeds addition to the checklist due to flights taking off not pressurizing.
Going forward I would like to see pushback if any company tries to mandate booster shots to be considered “fully vaccinated”. I would like to see ALPA step in and draw the line or pick their hill to die on. If we do see an influx of vaccine injured pilots in the long run this issue sits squarely on their shoulders as an organization. Bottom line: they didn’t protect the most important aspect to air travel infrastructure.. pilots.
worst case scenario is that the jabs carry long term adverse effects causing issues for our pilot population across all carriers. Just read the pilot briefing about pilot incapacitation that came out on the 13th. Might just be a reminder of procedures or there might be a datapoint that the company is seeing a trend in kinda like the packs and bleeds addition to the checklist due to flights taking off not pressurizing.
Going forward I would like to see pushback if any company tries to mandate booster shots to be considered “fully vaccinated”. I would like to see ALPA step in and draw the line or pick their hill to die on. If we do see an influx of vaccine injured pilots in the long run this issue sits squarely on their shoulders as an organization. Bottom line: they didn’t protect the most important aspect to air travel infrastructure.. pilots.
#1853
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Guide for Aviation Medical Examiners
Decision Considerations - Aerospace Medical Dispositions
Item 36. Heart - Other Cardiac Conditions
The following conditions must be deferred:- Cardiac Transplant - see Disease Protocols
- Cardiac decompensation
- Congenital heart disease
- Hypertrophy or dilatation of the heart as evidenced by clinical examination and supported by diagnostic studies. (Concentric LVH with no dilatation can be issued by the AME if no symptoms.)
- Pericarditis, endocarditis, or myocarditis
- Cardiac enlargement or other evidence of cardiovascular abnormality, If the applicant wishes further consideration, a consultation is required, preferably from the applicant's treating physician. It must include a narrative report of evaluation and be accompanied by an ECG with report and appropriate laboratory test results which may include, as appropriate, 24-hour Holter monitoring, thyroid function studies, ECHO, and an assessment of coronary artery status.
- Anti-tachycardia devices
- Implantable defibrillators (ICDs)
- Anticoagulants may be allowed, if the condition is allowed.
- Cardioversion (electrical or pharmacologic), may be allowed. A current, complete cardiovascular evaluation (CVE) and follow up Holter monitoring test is required. A 1-month observation period must elapse after the procedure before consideration for certification.
- Any other cardiac disorder not otherwise covered in this section.
- Hypotension. A history of low blood pressure requires elaboration. If the Examiner is in doubt, it is usually better to defer issuance rather than to deny certification for such a history.
For all classes, certification decisions will be based on the applicant's medical history and current clinical findings. Evidence of extensive multi-vessel disease, impaired cardiac functioning, precarious coronary circulation, etc., will preclude certification. Before an applicant undergoes coronary angiography, it is recommended that all records and the report of a current cardiovascular evaluation (CVE), including a maximal electrocardiographic exercise stress test, be submitted to the FAA for preliminary review. Based upon this information, it may be possible to advise an applicant of the likelihood of favorable consideration.
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#1854
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In my opinion they blindly rushed this requirement and the FAA should’ve issued a temporary pause for ATP holders till the data came out to show it’s safe long term.
Those United pilots who launched the lawsuit for the temporary restraining order had all of our best interest in mind in regards to possible side effects. The covid testing would’ve kept infected employees out of the workplace. Time will tell if the controlling agencies did the right thing or not when the data rolls in.
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Myocarditis In the Western world, myocarditis is most commonly associated with cardiotropic viruses. In other regions, Chagas disease, Borrelia infection and diphtheria may be the underlying cause. Myocarditis may present acutely, with typical chest pain symptoms or with more severe symptoms of heart failure and arrhythmia. In these cases, diagnosis is based on serum troponin measurements, TTE and CMR, and will also often involve coronary angiography to rule out CAD. It may be missed due to its subtle symptoms or be detected on CMR as an incidental finding following an asymptomatic episode. Progression from myocarditis to DCM occurs in approximately a fifth of those affected. SCD is a well-recognised association with acute myocarditis, most commonly in younger patients and in association with strenuous physical exertion, with the highest risk being in the 6 months following diagnosis.
The clinical presentation of myocarditis and acute coronary syndromes maybe similar; however, the occupational ramifications of these two diagnoses in aircrew differ substantially and mandate optimal assessment to discriminate between them. The use of CMR to look for myocarditis, either using T2-weighted sequences to look for oedema, or using LGE to look for fibrosis, is strongly encouraged. There are some data to suggest that the presence of LGE in myocarditis is associated with a worse prognosis,43 which further supports its use in aircrew. CMR imaging may be useful for the follow-up of aircrew with myocarditis, to assess LV function and fibrosis burden.
Although full recovery from myocarditis is thought to occur in approximately 80% of those with myocarditis, there are no clinical measures that have proven useful in predicting outcomes in these patients. Even those with fulminant disease, with rapid onset of symptoms and haemodynamic compromise may have an excellent outcome.44 General features of postviral syndromes and reduced exercise capacity may persist for many months following an episode of myocarditis, and this should also be borne in mind when considering returning aircrew to flying duties. Therefore, a cautious approach, with initial restriction to flying duties and close follow-up over a period of time is required in aircrew.
https://heart.bmj.com/content/105/Suppl_1/s50
The clinical presentation of myocarditis and acute coronary syndromes maybe similar; however, the occupational ramifications of these two diagnoses in aircrew differ substantially and mandate optimal assessment to discriminate between them. The use of CMR to look for myocarditis, either using T2-weighted sequences to look for oedema, or using LGE to look for fibrosis, is strongly encouraged. There are some data to suggest that the presence of LGE in myocarditis is associated with a worse prognosis,43 which further supports its use in aircrew. CMR imaging may be useful for the follow-up of aircrew with myocarditis, to assess LV function and fibrosis burden.
Although full recovery from myocarditis is thought to occur in approximately 80% of those with myocarditis, there are no clinical measures that have proven useful in predicting outcomes in these patients. Even those with fulminant disease, with rapid onset of symptoms and haemodynamic compromise may have an excellent outcome.44 General features of postviral syndromes and reduced exercise capacity may persist for many months following an episode of myocarditis, and this should also be borne in mind when considering returning aircrew to flying duties. Therefore, a cautious approach, with initial restriction to flying duties and close follow-up over a period of time is required in aircrew.
https://heart.bmj.com/content/105/Suppl_1/s50
#1859
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Basic Math isn't adding up here at United. Someone please enlighten me.
This story reads:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/un...ve-01631146134
"The airline’s 67,000 U.S.-based employees face a Sept. 27 deadline for getting vaccinated. United UAL said Wednesday"
Yet, today's story shows the following stats:
https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ne-2021-09-16/
"Chicago-based United said nearly 20,000 employees had uploaded records since the company announced its mandatory vaccination policy."
So the headline of 90% being vaccinated is a bunch of BS. It looks like United will be forced to FIRE 47,000 current employees on Sept 27th.
Welcome to America!
This story reads:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/un...ve-01631146134
"The airline’s 67,000 U.S.-based employees face a Sept. 27 deadline for getting vaccinated. United UAL said Wednesday"
Yet, today's story shows the following stats:
https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ne-2021-09-16/
"Chicago-based United said nearly 20,000 employees had uploaded records since the company announced its mandatory vaccination policy."
So the headline of 90% being vaccinated is a bunch of BS. It looks like United will be forced to FIRE 47,000 current employees on Sept 27th.
Welcome to America!
#1860
Your reading comprehension and understanding of statistics is right up there with the horse medicine peddler and the paramedic who lacks a high school science understanding of vaccines. Welcome to mainline I would recommend upgrading asap to educate your whole crew on the latest conspiracy.
More than 15 studies have demonstrated the power of immunity acquired by previously having the virus. A 700,000-person study from Israel two weeks ago found that those who had experienced prior infectionswere 27 times less likely to get a second symptomatic covid infection than those who were vaccinated. This affirmed a June Cleveland Clinic study of health-care workers (who are often exposed to the virus), in which nonewho had previously tested positive for the coronavirus got reinfected. The study authors concluded that “individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from covid-19 vaccination.” And in May, a Washington University study found that even a mild covid infection resulted in long-lasting immunity.
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