fadec

Make your biological parents take the vax first. Then all siblings take the same vax. Similar DNA makes them ideal test subjects.

If they don't die, return the favor and protect them by getting vaxed yourself. No exceptions.

Airhoss

At what rate as compared to general population? I’ll help you out, same rate for vaccinated and unvaccinated populations. You’ve got to understand the data you are looking at and the reporting criteria.

hummingbear

They are advertised to be 95% effective.

hummingbear

People can make the choices they see fit. You don’t need my permission to put your parents behind the wheel or stick them in a room with whomever you see fit. I’m just saying the logic that their vaccination necessarily means they can’t be infected by an unvaccinated person is flawed. (Roughly 5%-35% flawed depending on which vaccine we’re talking about.)

flightmedic01

Understood, which is in line with most other vaccines. The American Academy of Pediatrics states that “most childhood vaccines are 90%-99% effective in preventing disease.” However I’m not aware of any controversy with regard to the effectiveness of the Polio or Measles vaccines, even though they are less than 100% as well. So I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make.

flightmedic01

From Verywellhealth.com, “According to Stephen Russell, MD, PhD, president of the American Society of Gene and Cell Therapy, despite the vaccines' high efficacy rates at protecting people from contracting COVID-19, they do not offer 100% protection.“When it comes to preventing disease, the efficacy rates for the vaccines are:

• Pfizer: 95%
• Moderna: 94%
• Johnson and Johnson: 66%

“The vaccines have a near 100% efficacy rate for preventing serious illness, hospitalization, and death.”

So the takeaway I see here is this: In the unlikely event the vaccinated person would “contract” COVID, they’re gonna be just fine.

Flydafe

Loving the dialogue. Informative and entertaining. One thing for sure is that there will be no commercials in the future about class action lawsuits from this situation due to the EUA and voluntary participation.

hummingbear

It’s not a guarantee but yes, that’s definitely the likeliest outcome. Understand I’m not trying to pretend your vaccinated parents are at great risk, just pointing out that infection after vaccination is not an impossibility. This issue is not really my battle.

What I don’t understand is how these vaccines are at once a near universally effective solution & a bioethical nightmare tantamount to child torture. They work. They’re safe. If you’re comfortable with your odds of surviving the virus (I am) but afraid of unproven boogeyman issues with the vaccine (which even if true are statistically less significant than the actual proven risks of said virus) I think your ability to understand data is in question. Still, I’m not for forced vaccination. But we are seeing right now in this country how vaccine hesitant populations are being impacted by an ongoing pandemic that is in full retreat where vaccination is common. Personally, I’d rather see more people get vaccinated than idly sit in a vector supply chain & let it mutate until it beats our immunity & we’re back to square 1, but that’s me.

Grumpyaviator

if they got the vax they’re protected already, therefore your vax for that purpose is moot.

Grumpyaviator

There are sectors that are higher than others, but are still continually trending lower. Mutants don’t beat immunity but exposure to them adds to immunity. Studies from UoL, John’s-Hopkins and others have recently performed studies to support this.

The aggregate of the efficacy you state, the 90% chance one won’t get Covid, the 99+% chance one won’t die from Covid, and herd immunity from both vaccines and infection, make the odds of a vaccinated relative contracting the disease virtually nil; one in many, many millions, same with the odds for unvaccinated youth.

This has nothing to do with the health and safety of grandma and grandpa or child torture (shame on you for gaslighting) it’s about manipulating the population to be lock-step in thought by the “scary” scenarios being propagated.