I don’t disagree with any of that. It’s completely reasonable and I don’t think anyone needs to be worried about kids and teens at all.

I am also happy for people to decide what’s best for them. No issues with that either.

but saying that any potential risk from the vaccine is greater than the disease itself is only true for a subset of the population. And a substantial subset of that population isn’t even eligible yet. So the data we have right now on risk reward are somewhat aligned with risk segments. I guess it depends on what age you draw the line.

 

Make your biological parents take the vax first. Then all siblings take the same vax. Similar DNA makes them ideal test subjects.

If they don't die, return the favor and protect them by getting vaxed yourself. No exceptions.

 

At what rate as compared to general population? I’ll help you out, same rate for vaccinated and unvaccinated populations. You’ve got to understand the data you are looking at and the reporting criteria.

 

They are advertised to be 95% effective.

 

People can make the choices they see fit. You don’t need my permission to put your parents behind the wheel or stick them in a room with whomever you see fit. I’m just saying the logic that their vaccination necessarily means they can’t be infected by an unvaccinated person is flawed. (Roughly 5%-35% flawed depending on which vaccine we’re talking about.)

 

Understood, which is in line with most other vaccines. The American Academy of Pediatrics states that “most childhood vaccines are 90%-99% effective in preventing disease.” However I’m not aware of any controversy with regard to the effectiveness of the Polio or Measles vaccines, even though they are less than 100% as well. So I’m not really sure what point you’re trying to make.

 

From Verywellhealth.com, “According to Stephen Russell, MD, PhD, president of the American Society of Gene and Cell Therapy, despite the vaccines' high efficacy rates at protecting people from contracting COVID-19, they do not offer 100% protection.“When it comes to preventing disease, the efficacy rates for the vaccines are:

• Pfizer: 95%
• Moderna: 94%
• Johnson and Johnson: 66%

“The vaccines have a near 100% efficacy rate for preventing serious illness, hospitalization, and death.”

So the takeaway I see here is this: In the unlikely event the vaccinated person would “contract” COVID, they’re gonna be just fine.

 

Loving the dialogue. Informative and entertaining. One thing for sure is that there will be no commercials in the future about class action lawsuits from this situation due to the EUA and voluntary participation.

 

It’s not a guarantee but yes, that’s definitely the likeliest outcome. Understand I’m not trying to pretend your vaccinated parents are at great risk, just pointing out that infection after vaccination is not an impossibility. This issue is not really my battle.

What I don’t understand is how these vaccines are at once a near universally effective solution & a bioethical nightmare tantamount to child torture. They work. They’re safe. If you’re comfortable with your odds of surviving the virus (I am) but afraid of unproven boogeyman issues with the vaccine (which even if true are statistically less significant than the actual proven risks of said virus) I think your ability to understand data is in question. Still, I’m not for forced vaccination. But we are seeing right now in this country how vaccine hesitant populations are being impacted by an ongoing pandemic that is in full retreat where vaccination is common. Personally, I’d rather see more people get vaccinated than idly sit in a vector supply chain & let it mutate until it beats our immunity & we’re back to square 1, but that’s me.

 

if they got the vax they’re protected already, therefore your vax for that purpose is moot.