There are sectors that are higher than others, but are still continually trending lower. Mutants don’t beat immunity but exposure to them adds to immunity. Studies from UoL, John’s-Hopkins and others have recently performed studies to support this.

The aggregate of the efficacy you state, the 90% chance one won’t get Covid, the 99+% chance one won’t die from Covid, and herd immunity from both vaccines and infection, make the odds of a vaccinated relative contracting the disease virtually nil; one in many, many millions, same with the odds for unvaccinated youth.

This has nothing to do with the health and safety of grandma and grandpa or child torture (shame on you for gaslighting) it’s about manipulating the population to be lock-step in thought by the “scary” scenarios being propagated.

 

In countering the argument you think I’m making, you’re half making my point. We both agree the vaccine is highly effective. If you looked at all data with that same objectivity you’d see it’s also extremely safe.

Most people will have enough protection from the vaccine that they shouldn’t be concerned about the worst possible outcomes of the virus. Most. Maybe my perspective comes in part from having a close family member on chemo, although I think many of us here are similarly affected by that issue. I’d love the comfort of being able to say his vaccine makes potential exposure to the virus a non-issue, but that may not be the case. So I have just that much less patience for people who push the “your vaccine covers you so don’t worry about me” line, and that much more respect & gratitude for those who see it as a protection for others as well as themselves.

I don’t know who you think is “manipulating the population” & to what end. There’s a real disease. There’s a real vaccine. It works, it’s safe, and I fail to see how getting it makes a person more vulnerable to whatever mysterious & nefarious plot is being hatched- though that’s exactly what I would say if I were implanted with Anthony Fauci’s secret mind-control syrum.

 

As far as we know. There have been many immunologist as well as virologist and the National Center for Biotechnology Information, a branch of NIH, who have warned about the potentional for long term impacts and induced immunogen expression and development of auto reactive antibodies. As far as I gather this is equivalent or is autoimmune disease.

Not sure why the vaxxers are so hard on those not wanting a non FDA approved vaccine. I for one don't care if you want and I have no opinion on your choice as you shouldn't mine.
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I care a lot less about a person who chooses not to get vaccinated than one who actively goes around spreading misinformation and baseless claims about death & altered DNA, and weird fear porn about subjugation & government control. Surely you can appreciate the hypocrisy in a person who preaches “let people decide for themselves” while injecting all sorts of false information into the conversation.

 

Gulf Foxtrot Yankee.

 

When you say spreading “misinformation”, I would like to know who is determining what information is considered “factual” and what is not. Who is fact-checking the fact-checkers?? Most intelligent people are capable of doing their own research and can sniff out BS when they see it. NPR posted an article from the Surgeon General (Dr. Vivek Murthy) stating that COVID “misinformation” is costing lives. According to the article, it states: “In his advisory, he puts pressure on big tech companies to play a bigger role in combating health misinformation on their platforms. He wants to see algorithms tweaked to further demote bad information and companies to share more data with outside researchers and the government.”

“Combating health misinformation???” So anything that doesn’t align with the current COVID narrative will be censored. Meaning, you will only hear what we want you to hear. That should raise the hairs on everyone’s necks.

 

​​​​​​Nothing I posted is "misinformation". The concerns came directly from the NIH. There's probably a reason the FDA has not approved this other than EAU.

 

One of the most ignorant statements I have heard lately.

 

It’s saying that you read an article from the National Center for Biotechnology Information and claiming it was “from” the NIH that is misinformation. It’s a database of articles essentially. It’s akin to saying your town are Nazis because the library has a copy of Mein Kompf.

 

or there’s a a specific timeline and data required. What you fail to realize that absent these vaccines 1000’s of pilots would be furloughed currently.