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07-21-2021 | 04:00 PM
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Actually that graph says that you 5-6 times more likely to get Covid and 2-3 to be hospitalized if you don’t get the vaccine because of the different size of the populations. But no one would make those generalizations without the context of age, health, etc. on such a small sample size unless their agenda was more than just presenting the data.
07-21-2021 | 04:09 PM
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My point is that the graph isn’t showing what you think it is.
07-21-2021 | 05:29 PM
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Blaaahaaa...84% of new cases in Israel are vaccinated patients...this Pfizer Spike Protein isn't working! Now what geniuses? Maybe they'll actually make a natural Vaccine because this gene editing mRNA experiment isn't working! Except to clog heart arteries. TOLD U SO!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/19/vaccine-skeptics-zero-israel-again-some-reason/
07-21-2021 | 05:40 PM
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Has anyone noticed the info coming from Public Health England regarding the deaths from the Delta variant? So 92 UNVACCINATED people have died from the delta variant, yet 118 FULLY VACCINATED people have died from the delta variant. Hmmm, I’m no rocket scientist, but something isn’t right here. Can’t wait to hear the vaccine defense on this!!
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-delta-vaccinated/fact-check-claim-that-vaccinated-people-are-six-times-more-likely-to-die-from-the-delta-variant-than-those-who-are-unvaccinated-is-misleading-idUSL2N2OD2CJ
07-21-2021 | 07:23 PM
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It actually shows just that, but the person that made it wanted to show you raw numbers to convince you that the vaccine isn’t worth it. The easiest to understand is the number of cases since the end of the graph shows the two groups as being the same in absolute numbers. However, the percent of the unvaccinated adult population is 5.7 to 1 smaller. Because the absolute value is the same, the ratio could be inferred that an unvaccinated person is 5.7 times more likely to be hospitalized. Anyone would be laughed at, though, for making such a conclusion at a snapshot in time with such a limited sample.
My point is that the graph isn’t showing what you think it is.
My point is that the graph isn’t showing what you think it is.
Maybe if only 25-50% of the population was vaxxed then your numbers would make more sense.
07-21-2021 | 08:46 PM
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I understand what you’re saying. You and the article do make sense. But if the vaccines are supposed to be 95% effective and when in contact with other vaccinated people it’s supposed to be practically 100%, and with 85% of the population vaccinated… those numbers seem awfully high regardless. I’m no calculus major but with those kinds of percentages I would think it should be more like 50 times greater of a chance to be hospitalized if you’re unvaxxed not just 2-3.
Maybe if only 25-50% of the population was vaxxed then your numbers would make more sense.
Maybe if only 25-50% of the population was vaxxed then your numbers would make more sense.
I think that you’re missing my point. That slide is from AAPS. They are a small group of physicians, who oppose things like medical insurance, so basically no one you would ever actually see. They are taking a small snippet of data that no one would analyze because it’s too small. It’s like looking at over the course of a day’s time and ringing the alarm if 1 person who had been vaccinated got COVID while 0 unvaccinated people did and saying that you are infinitely times more likely to get COVID if you’ve been vaccinated. Their only purpose in showing you that graph over a short period with raw numbers as opposed to normalized data over a longer period is shock value.
07-22-2021 | 02:38 AM
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I think that you’re missing my point. That slide is from AAPS. They are a small group of physicians, who oppose things like medical insurance, so basically no one you would ever actually see. They are taking a small snippet of data that no one would analyze because it’s too small. It’s like looking at over the course of a day’s time and ringing the alarm if 1 person who had been vaccinated got COVID while 0 unvaccinated people did and saying that you are infinitely times more likely to get COVID if you’ve been vaccinated. Their only purpose in showing you that graph over a short period with raw numbers as opposed to normalized data over a longer period is shock value.
Given that the U.K.’s numbers aren’t looking good as well and the number of vaccinated people here in the U.S. testing positive when they mostly interact with other vaccinated colleagues then the Israel data seems to be pretty consistent no matter how small the sample size is.
07-22-2021 | 04:47 AM
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95% for basic COVID. Numbers are looking much lower against the Delta variant. Still good but definitely not 95%. So “breakthrough cases” (infection after vaccination) will be far more common as the Delta variant continues to spread.
07-22-2021 | 05:22 AM
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Again why bother wwhen there is Dr Simone Gold and internet memes of Fauci with Jim Jones. The fact 97% of those hospitalized are unvaccinated has no meaning. Big pharma execs getting gold plated Bentleys on the back of hard working Americans! Disgraceful…
07-22-2021 | 05:39 AM
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The delta variant was already out before a big chunk of the population got vaccinated. So even if we had 100% participation in getting vaccinated we would still have a “problem” with the Delta variant. Do we now need a new vaccine for the Delta variant too? Seems to me to be a never ending cycle. Or in other words… viruses behaving like they have since human existence.
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