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Old 07-30-2021 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Barley
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Despite the popular misconception that children who get COVID-19 never have severe symptoms and can easily shake the disease, in some instances, kids admitted to Texas Children’s with the coronavirus have landed in intensive care. Some have even been placed on ventilators.

Out of all the kids who show up to Texas Children’s concerned they may have COVID-19, “Currently, roughly 10 percent of those children who test positive do require hospitalization,” said Dr. Jim Versalovic, Pathologist-in-Chief and Interim Pediatrician-in-Chief at Texas Children’s Hospital, “and roughly one-third of those may require critical care.”
10% of what? Over how long of a time frame? If 3 children out of 30 that actually came to get tested needed medical care over the last year and a half and out of those 3, 1 was in critical care… then your article is still true.

On another thread, someone posted CDC data that showed 372 kids aged 0-17 died from Covid over the 2020/2021 school year while a majority of states allowed in person schooling. Which btw, it doesn’t take much to be categorized as a covid death.

803 kids aged 0-17 died of flu in 2014/2015.

10% sounds a lot worse than saying 2 or 3. If the numbers were in the hundreds or thousands for just that one hospital then that sounds pretty bad and obviously it would be in the news article. They use percentages now because it’s a lot more attention grabbing than saying 5 or 6 or whatever.
Old 07-30-2021 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
Why not let those who chose not to get vaccinated deal with the consequences of their decision? If they get COVID and don’t have the antibodies from either a previous exposure or the vaccine, then that’s their problem. It’s still a virus with a very low mortality rate, yet we act like it is certain death. It affects our lives because we let it. More mask mandates and restrictions will give the illusion of doing something, but it won’t change much. If the unvaccinated want to roll the dice, I say let them.
Because you miss the big concern and unknown: possible mutations and variants which the current vaccines may not be effective against at all. Large populations of unvaccinated people clustered together in certain regions allow for the possibility of a variant developing that just might not be stopped from making a fully-vaccinated person seriously ill. Add to that the free movement of people around this country, and gradually the world, and this new variant can more easily spread to other regions. Both my parents were in the medical profession, though not immunology or virology, and have said this needs to be taken seriously based on conversations with their colleagues. When I see an interview on TV with someone who was in the ICU for five months with COVID and almost died and yet he still says he’d do it again vs. taking a vaccine, I seriously don’t know how any holdout will be convinced. I no longer have sympathy, but yet their “freedoms and choices” just might affect my family, my livelihood and my life.
Old 07-30-2021 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by EWRflyr
When I see an interview on TV with someone who was in the ICU for five months with COVID and almost died and yet he still says he’d do it again vs. taking a vaccine, I seriously don’t know how any holdout will be convinced.
When I see an interview on TV with someone who was in the ICU for five months after taking the COVID jab and almost died and yet he still says he’d do it again and even give it to his children vs. taking not taking the vaccine, I seriously know how many holdouts will be not convinced.

There. FIFY
Old 07-30-2021 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by drywhitetoast
When I see an interview on TV with someone who was in the ICU for five months after taking the COVID jab and almost died and yet he still says he’d do it again and even give it to his children vs. taking not taking the vaccine, I seriously know how many holdouts will be not convinced.

There. FIFY
You could probably count those cases on the fingers of one hand... out of billions vaccinated.
Old 07-30-2021 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by drywhitetoast
When I see an interview on TV with someone who was in the ICU for five months after taking the COVID jab and almost died and yet he still says he’d do it again and even give it to his children vs. taking not taking the vaccine, I seriously know how many holdouts will be not convinced.

There. FIFY
Weird how it’s so much harder to find a fully vaxxed person in the situation you described.
Old 07-30-2021 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Barley
Weird how it’s so much harder to find a fully vaxxed person in the situation you described.
Look harder
Old 07-30-2021 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by drywhitetoast
Look harder
Okay, let me create a Facebook account real quick. Is it best join a flat earth or bigfoot group to get the algorithm to feed me the real news?
Old 07-30-2021 | 07:54 AM
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I guess you didn’t read the links to the actual studies but rather just commented on my intro with typical gaslighting, name-calling and political assigning. I don’t watch any news, much less what you attributed my POV to, and certainly did not use any news sound bites. But hey, rather than check out the given references and do a little research it’s a lot easier for you to defend your POV by saying opposing arguments are just “sound bites. There is no tin foil in Cleveland Clinic, Johns-Hopkins etc. But there is a lot of hot air in your MSM-based comments.

Almost all in our family had Covid. We tested positive, then negative and now test positive for the antibodies. I’m currently testing positive for antibodies through the Red Cross eight months later. I also know for a fact I’ve been exposed since and have not gotten re-infected.

The data I’ve posted in the past also points out that while there is a rise in the delta variant in vaccinated people, that has not happened in previously infected people. Efficacy from infection is 99.35%, higher than any vax, and historically, previous infections are effective against variants up to 80% different than the original infection. Research my post history for those links.

So instead of doing what you’re accusing me of, read the studies to get your info and lay off the CNN.

I read your studies but unfortunately they are the same studies being used as factual disinformation by media outlets and covid deniers. Stating a fact and then extrapolating outward to give credence to whatever nonsense claim is made. That's great that you and your family are well. My point is that the anti-science crowd wont get the antibody test to confirm that they actually had a strong enough reaction to covid to produce antibodies. These people that refuse to do their part due to half baked conspiracies, misinformation, and fear mongering are doing a lot of unnecessary harm. You and your family having the intelligence and the means to get the antibody test is probably an outlier. Promoting those studies as fact that people that "had it" don't need the vaccine is wrong. You need antibodies to have protection and there's only one way to know that for sure.

My whole family was quarantined because one of our own "had it" and talked a big game and then got it for real somewhere on our trip. Your downplaying of the delta variant is inexcusable in the face of only having 25% of the world vaccinated. This thing will keep mutating and spreading while misinformation and pure conspiracies are sold as fact.
Old 07-30-2021 | 07:59 AM
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I read your studies but unfortunately they are the same studies being used as factual disinformation by media outlets and covid deniers. Stating a fact and then extrapolating outward to give credence to whatever nonsense claim is made. That's great that you and your family are well. My point is that the anti-science crowd wont get the antibody test to confirm that they actually had a strong enough reaction to covid to produce antibodies. These people that refuse to do their part due to half baked conspiracies, misinformation, and fear mongering are doing a lot of unnecessary harm. You are your family having the intelligence and the means to get the antibody test is probably an outlier. Promoting those studies as fact that people that "had it" don't need the vaccine is wrong. You need antibodies to have protection and there's only one way to know that for sure.

My whole family was quarantined because one of our own "had it" and talked a big game and then got it for real somewhere on our trip. Your downplaying of the delta variant is inexcusable in the face of only having 25% of the world vaccinated. This thing will keep mutating and spreading while misinformation and pure conspiracies are sold as fact.
do their part? Just what does that entail?
So anything that you disagree with is a half baked conspiracy or disinformation? Got it!
Old 07-30-2021 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Bestglide
do their part? Just what does that entail?
So anything that you disagree with is a half baked conspiracy or disinformation? Got it!
So what do you believe? Three pharma companies with three very different vaccines, all independently tested by 3+ companies, multiple health agencies with teams of virologists and epidemiologists are all in a worldwide conspiracy? If the basis of your argument comes back to conspiracies I don't have any sympathy for your inability to think critically. There are valid arguments to question these vaccines but these nonsense arguments and fear mongering is pure idiocy. There are people that can't get the vaccine due to transplants or immunosuppressive drugs but most healthy adults are fully capable of getting vaccinated and they should talk to a real doctor if they are believing half of the things posted here.

Time to use your brain and turn off the TV.
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