Originally Posted by Wingedbeast

Religious reasons.

Originally Posted by Andy

Erm, he flies for American. I fail to see how his decisions effect your seniority.

Originally Posted by CousinEddie

That is not a superspreader event. Neither was Lalapalooza in Chicago last week. Or the Milwaukee Bucs NBA celebration. Now, I watched the CBS evening news last night and they informed me of the real superspreader threat facing us: Sturgis.

Originally Posted by CousinEddie

That is not a superspreader event. Neither was Lalapalooza in Chicago last week. Or the Milwaukee Bucs NBA celebration. Now, I watched the CBS evening news last night and they informed me of the real superspreader threat facing us: Sturgis.

Originally Posted by Broncofan

well consider it a general statement to anyone senior to me resisting the shot then.

Originally Posted by Bluesteal

Another terrible comparison again.... Your thinking is why we are all losing everything. And that was a poor court ruling. If the SCOTUS actually looked at the founders original intent of individual sovereignty then they would have ruled correctly. Legislating from the bench is why we are here today. We should not have mandatory anything, they literally for 75yrs normalize things that go against individual sovereignty and now we think its ok.. the fact is when we dont follow a constitution/bill of rights, what are we supposed to follow? We are just in uncharted waters. So, now the unelected corporations have now taken the sovereignty and rule over the individual. We have to get this mentality out of our head that the corporations can do ANYTHING they want, the constitution was NOT for corporations to rule over the individual. Individual sovereignty rules over all. But, we gave it to them through submission... I dont want to hear 5yrs from now everyone complaining that they can't do a dam thing without permission through your cell phone via a vaccine passport/digital healthpass. When the whole world goes on the digital healthpass which is being rolled out all over europe, asia and we will get it too, its more of a challenge in the US than the rest of the world, but we will eventually get it here, that digital healthpass is not a 2 weeks to "slow the spread" type of thing. These healthpasses will be permanent. We literally handed over our rights/sovereignty to authority on a silver platter due to fear and thinking like Chuck D, Its our own fault.

And, I will quit if I have to, I've always had a plan B for 10+ yrs anyway because of furlough or whatever because I dont like being dependent. This is exactly why you never want to be dependent on a job. Its been years since Ive heard anyone ever talk about "entrepreneurship" and starting businesses, having new ideas because they want dependence and when you are dependent then they got you by the balls. NO JAB, NO JOB. NO JAB, NO BENEFITS. I have many investments in businesses, real estate that produce monthly cashflow. Everyone should have a plan B. I'll quit if I have to. The question for you should be where is your line? where and when do you draw the line? or will you just keep submitting yourself to authority. I saw some people compare us to NAZI Germany a few pages back... we are not NAZI Germany now, but if we continue to submit and submit and rollover, then 5yrs from now we may have to bring this NAZI Germany conversation back up again. History always repeats boys and girls and america aint immune.

But, there is actually some good news... its not all negative. We are starting to see an awakening and our country is starting to work as it was intended to do. Some states are now exercising the 10th amendment and passing legislation to ban vaccine passports, ban "mandatory" vaccines/masks in schools. Fed court rulings against lockdowns, CDC overreach, etc. It took long enough, but there are some positive things happening and I am hoping we can go back in the right direction and start bringing back individual sovereignty again. The only way this happens is on the state and local level.

Bottomline: Get the vaccine or not get the vaccine, but it stops there... NO to MANDATORY vaccine passports/digital healthpass apps on your cell phone to enter a store,restaurant, plane, cruise,train, grocery store because that will be here to stay.

Originally Posted by Andy

I suspect the bulk of those who have passed on the vaccine are over 60. We'll find out soon enough.
I'll further guess that at least a few have enough sick leave to take them to age 65.

Originally Posted by Wipeout

Land of the free! Can’t say that with a straight face anymore.

I personally think people should get vaccinated but how quickly people have gotten behind “forced vaccinations” is terrifying.

Originally Posted by jacinth

... Meanwhile, natural infection is showing to be nearly 100% immunity. In Israel less than 1% of new infections were previously infected.
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And if your under age 60 your IFR is comparable to the flu and has been this whole time. By the time you get to children depending on the age the flu is as much as 50 times worse than covid in terms of complications. This whole thing from a data analytics perspective is completely absurd. There is no data to support almost anything that is being pushed.