UAL Vaccination
08-06-2021 | 06:35 AM
#691
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I am a man of my conscience and I will not be employed by any airline that mandates a ‘vaccine’ that goes against my conscience. I will fall back on comfortably instructing in tailwheel aircraft and be back at home every night. I never flew for the $$ anyways. While, the thought of squashing your fellow coworkers may make you giddy, it does sadden me to know that the career I love, is being ripped out from under me, because of the fear/paranoia induced by our incompetent government. You can wear your “I’m Vaccinated” pin proudly.
08-06-2021 | 06:35 AM
#692
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From: 777 FO
The reality is outside of 4 months the effectiveness of the vaccine drops off rapidly. In Israel the PM has said its effectiveness is “significantly less” than reported by Pfizer. Currently, they show 39% effective…. Ie… not effective at all. Right now 85% of those in their hospitals are fully vaccinated. Gibraltar had 100% eligible people vaccinated by the end of April they now have the 3rd highest rate of infection currently on the planet. 75% of new cases in Singapore are fully vaccinated. In the UK last month over half of their deaths were fully vaccinated. Currently in their hospitals half are fully vaccinated. It doesn’t work outside of a few months hence the reason for booster shots into forever. Meanwhile, natural infection is showing to be nearly 100% immunity. In Israel less than 1% of new infections were previously infected. Iceland has over 90% of people over 16 vaccinated, cases are up 44,275% (not a typo) since last summer. Mandating this vaccine anywhere is completely absurd. And if your under age 60 your IFR is comparable to the flu and has been this whole time. By the time you get to children depending on the age the flu is as much as 50 times worse than covid in terms of complications. This whole thing from a data analytics perspective is completely absurd. There is no data to support almost anything that is being pushed.
08-06-2021 | 06:38 AM
#693
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From: 777 FO
It’s amazing how quickly quickly the FauciOuchie crew have gone from “the vaccine is 100% effective,” to “encourage others to get the vaccine,” to “let’s take all the freedoms away from the unvaccinated and shun them from society.” It’s almost as if the vaccine they rushed to inject in themselves isn’t as great as they thought it was….
I am a man of my conscience and I will not be employed by any airline that mandates a ‘vaccine’ that goes against my conscience. I will fall back on comfortably instructing in tailwheel aircraft and be back at home every night. I never flew for the $$ anyways. While, the thought of squashing your fellow coworkers may make you giddy, it does sadden me to know that the career I love, is being ripped out from under me, because of the fear/paranoia induced by our incompetent government. You can wear your “I’m Vaccinated” pin proudly.
I am a man of my conscience and I will not be employed by any airline that mandates a ‘vaccine’ that goes against my conscience. I will fall back on comfortably instructing in tailwheel aircraft and be back at home every night. I never flew for the $$ anyways. While, the thought of squashing your fellow coworkers may make you giddy, it does sadden me to know that the career I love, is being ripped out from under me, because of the fear/paranoia induced by our incompetent government. You can wear your “I’m Vaccinated” pin proudly.
08-06-2021 | 06:39 AM
#694
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The reality is outside of 4 months the effectiveness of the vaccine drops off rapidly. In Israel the PM has said its effectiveness is “significantly less” than reported by Pfizer. Currently, they show 39% effective…. Ie… not effective at all. Right now 85% of those in their hospitals are fully vaccinated. Gibraltar had 100% eligible people vaccinated by the end of April they now have the 3rd highest rate of infection currently on the planet. 75% of new cases in Singapore are fully vaccinated. In the UK last month over half of their deaths were fully vaccinated. Currently in their hospitals half are fully vaccinated. It doesn’t work outside of a few months hence the reason for booster shots into forever. Meanwhile, natural infection is showing to be nearly 100% immunity. In Israel less than 1% of new infections were previously infected. Iceland has over 90% of people over 16 vaccinated, cases are up 44,275% (not a typo) since last summer. Mandating this vaccine anywhere is completely absurd. And if your under age 60 your IFR is comparable to the flu and has been this whole time. By the time you get to children depending on the age the flu is as much as 50 times worse than covid in terms of complications. This whole thing from a data analytics perspective is completely absurd. There is no data to support almost anything that is being pushed.
08-06-2021 | 06:47 AM
#695
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The reality is outside of 4 months the effectiveness of the vaccine drops off rapidly. In Israel the PM has said its effectiveness is “significantly less” than reported by Pfizer. Currently, they show 39% effective…. Ie… not effective at all. Right now 85% of those in their hospitals are fully vaccinated. Gibraltar had 100% eligible people vaccinated by the end of April they now have the 3rd highest rate of infection currently on the planet. 75% of new cases in Singapore are fully vaccinated. In the UK last month over half of their deaths were fully vaccinated. Currently in their hospitals half are fully vaccinated. It doesn’t work outside of a few months hence the reason for booster shots into forever. Meanwhile, natural infection is showing to be nearly 100% immunity. In Israel less than 1% of new infections were previously infected. Iceland has over 90% of people over 16 vaccinated, cases are up 44,275% (not a typo) since last summer. Mandating this vaccine anywhere is completely absurd. And if your under age 60 your IFR is comparable to the flu and has been this whole time. By the time you get to children depending on the age the flu is as much as 50 times worse than covid in terms of complications. This whole thing from a data analytics perspective is completely absurd. There is no data to support almost anything that is being pushed.
08-06-2021 | 06:47 AM
#696
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From: Retired from UAL
You’ll have to consult with President Trump on those issues. He’s the one that got the vaccine ball rolling.
08-06-2021 | 06:59 AM
#697
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From: DC-3 / Braniff
I feel really sad for your entire pilot group that United has chosen to further divide you. I am hoping that ALPA will come forward and fight to exclude the pilots from this decision.
If you are arguing that this vaccine is a social responsibility, I encourage you to log off Facebook and look at legitimate medical research studies. The one I included here shows that the viral load is similar between the unvaccinated and the vaccinated. Which means regardless of your vaccination status, you can transmit the virus. The vaccine and any medical procedure for that matter, should be a personal decision.
For those of you saying that it is a privilege to work at a private company, you are right. It was also a privilege of nearly every airline to receive billions of dollars of taxpayer money so that they didn't have to close their doors. I would expect the same level of compassion be offered to their employees. Your fellow pilots have worked their entire lives to get where they are at. The decision to abandon their careers because you think they should get a shot should not be taken lightly and you should offer a little more respect to your peers.
The 7 day average of new cases is 100,199 (at the time of this post). That means (assuming you are infectious for 10 days) their are currently 1,001,990 infectious people in the US right now. The population is 330,000,000.
1,001,990/330,000,000=0.3% of the US population which is 1 out of every 300 people.
The only viable argument here is that of reducing symptoms and mortality in infected patients. That has absolutely nothing to do with you or your company. Neither you nor United leadership will be standing next to them during their last breaths. The decision to get vaccinated is a personal one with personal consequences.
Educate yourselves with facts. Stop being so hostile to people who don't think like you. Stop letting them divide you.
If you are arguing that this vaccine is a social responsibility, I encourage you to log off Facebook and look at legitimate medical research studies. The one I included here shows that the viral load is similar between the unvaccinated and the vaccinated. Which means regardless of your vaccination status, you can transmit the virus. The vaccine and any medical procedure for that matter, should be a personal decision.
For those of you saying that it is a privilege to work at a private company, you are right. It was also a privilege of nearly every airline to receive billions of dollars of taxpayer money so that they didn't have to close their doors. I would expect the same level of compassion be offered to their employees. Your fellow pilots have worked their entire lives to get where they are at. The decision to abandon their careers because you think they should get a shot should not be taken lightly and you should offer a little more respect to your peers.
The 7 day average of new cases is 100,199 (at the time of this post). That means (assuming you are infectious for 10 days) their are currently 1,001,990 infectious people in the US right now. The population is 330,000,000.
1,001,990/330,000,000=0.3% of the US population which is 1 out of every 300 people.
The only viable argument here is that of reducing symptoms and mortality in infected patients. That has absolutely nothing to do with you or your company. Neither you nor United leadership will be standing next to them during their last breaths. The decision to get vaccinated is a personal one with personal consequences.
Educate yourselves with facts. Stop being so hostile to people who don't think like you. Stop letting them divide you.
08-06-2021 | 07:00 AM
#698
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I predict epic levels of crybaby today!
08-06-2021 | 07:01 AM
#699
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Proud of my company today.
08-06-2021 | 07:06 AM
#700
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From: 777 FO
I feel really sad for your entire pilot group that United has chosen to further divide you. I am hoping that ALPA will come forward and fight to exclude the pilots from this decision.
If you are arguing that this vaccine is a social responsibility, I encourage you to log off Facebook and look at legitimate medical research studies. The one I included here shows that the viral load is similar between the unvaccinated and the vaccinated. Which means regardless of your vaccination status, you can transmit the virus. The vaccine and any medical procedure for that matter, should be a personal decision.
For those of you saying that it is a privilege to work at a private company, you are right. It was also a privilege of nearly every airline to receive billions of dollars of taxpayer money so that they didn't have to close their doors. I would expect the same level of compassion be offered to their employees. Your fellow pilots have worked their entire lives to get where they are at. The decision to abandon their careers because you think they should get a shot should not be taken lightly and you should offer a little more respect to your peers.
The 7 day average of new cases is 100,199 (at the time of this post). That means (assuming you are infectious for 10 days) their are currently 1,001,990 infectious people in the US right now. The population is 330,000,000.
1,001,990/330,000,000=0.3% of the US population which is 1 out of every 300 people.
The only viable argument here is that of reducing symptoms and mortality in infected patients. That has absolutely nothing to do with you or your company. Neither you nor United leadership will be standing next to them during their last breaths. The decision to get vaccinated is a personal one with personal consequences.
Educate yourselves with facts. Stop being so hostile to people who don't think like you. Stop letting them divide you.
If you are arguing that this vaccine is a social responsibility, I encourage you to log off Facebook and look at legitimate medical research studies. The one I included here shows that the viral load is similar between the unvaccinated and the vaccinated. Which means regardless of your vaccination status, you can transmit the virus. The vaccine and any medical procedure for that matter, should be a personal decision.
For those of you saying that it is a privilege to work at a private company, you are right. It was also a privilege of nearly every airline to receive billions of dollars of taxpayer money so that they didn't have to close their doors. I would expect the same level of compassion be offered to their employees. Your fellow pilots have worked their entire lives to get where they are at. The decision to abandon their careers because you think they should get a shot should not be taken lightly and you should offer a little more respect to your peers.
The 7 day average of new cases is 100,199 (at the time of this post). That means (assuming you are infectious for 10 days) their are currently 1,001,990 infectious people in the US right now. The population is 330,000,000.
1,001,990/330,000,000=0.3% of the US population which is 1 out of every 300 people.
The only viable argument here is that of reducing symptoms and mortality in infected patients. That has absolutely nothing to do with you or your company. Neither you nor United leadership will be standing next to them during their last breaths. The decision to get vaccinated is a personal one with personal consequences.
Educate yourselves with facts. Stop being so hostile to people who don't think like you. Stop letting them divide you.
You will be more sad for us when you hear that the ALPA message I received today confirms that this is an HR problem, not a union problem.
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