UAL Vaccination
09-06-2021 | 01:28 PM
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The article can’t be 100% correct. Even if you take the effectiveness argument out of the equation… it has 2 different charts that completely contradict each other in reference to total numbers in the over 50 age group. And that was the only category I looked at. I didn’t even bother to look at the rest once I noticed that.
I'm not sure what charts you are referencing, but you may not have read that the about 1/2 way through he updates his charts with data from Sep 2nd.
09-06-2021 | 02:08 PM
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Im having a hard time following their math. It looks like they’re trying to do calculus IV to prove the vaccines work. In their own chart it shows that age 50 and over unvaxxed has a severe case of 171 per 100k. It shows vaxxed at 290 per 100k. Then it claims the vaccine effectiveness is 85% in that age group. I’m having a hard time understanding how the rate per 100k is higher in vaccinated individuals but then they claim the vaccines are 85% effective. Even if they got the numbers backwards that doesn’t make any sense to me. And then on a later chart they break it down even more by age group, but if you add up all the 50 and over severe cases in that chart it’s over 5 times higher than the severe cases cases they claim in the previous chart. So either there’s a typo or they’re hoping someone won’t pay that much attention to it.
It isn’t the alarmists that are reporting the vaccines are only 39% effective in Israel. It’s the Israeli health officials claiming that. That’s far off from the 93% and 85% this report is showing. Even the Mayo Clinic now says it’s only 42% effective. When 90% of the older population and 73% of the younger population is vaccinated…. If the vaccines were actually 85% effective there shouldn’t be anywhere near a majority of hospitalizations being vaccinated no matter the age break down. In one of the charts on your article it even says the vaccinated are hospitalized at a higher number per 100k in that particular age group.
The 85% is close to what was originally advertised. If that was still the case and you really were 19x more likely to be hospitalized then why would we need boosters at all? We shouldn’t need them. Yet, Israel wants a 4th round. We need boosters even though under 60 unvaxxed has a survival rate of 99.98 and if your article is correct (even though it has contradictory numbers) then the new survival rate will be what? Like 99.998? That doesn’t justify boosters to me. When the Israeli health officials and the Mayo Clinic are claiming 40% that jives a lot more with the current conditions than the 85% this article reports.
It isn’t the alarmists that are reporting the vaccines are only 39% effective in Israel. It’s the Israeli health officials claiming that. That’s far off from the 93% and 85% this report is showing. Even the Mayo Clinic now says it’s only 42% effective. When 90% of the older population and 73% of the younger population is vaccinated…. If the vaccines were actually 85% effective there shouldn’t be anywhere near a majority of hospitalizations being vaccinated no matter the age break down. In one of the charts on your article it even says the vaccinated are hospitalized at a higher number per 100k in that particular age group.
The 85% is close to what was originally advertised. If that was still the case and you really were 19x more likely to be hospitalized then why would we need boosters at all? We shouldn’t need them. Yet, Israel wants a 4th round. We need boosters even though under 60 unvaxxed has a survival rate of 99.98 and if your article is correct (even though it has contradictory numbers) then the new survival rate will be what? Like 99.998? That doesn’t justify boosters to me. When the Israeli health officials and the Mayo Clinic are claiming 40% that jives a lot more with the current conditions than the 85% this article reports.
09-06-2021 | 02:58 PM
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are you high….tucker Carlson, trump jr, Eric trump, Sean hannity, etc….they are all leftists loons?
09-06-2021 | 03:03 PM
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09-06-2021 | 05:30 PM
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As they should be…most of the crap they spew is flat out lies.
09-06-2021 | 09:32 PM
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It's completely accurate, it's just that for most people, understanding statistics isn't intuitive and is why shock value of cherry picked percentages misinform most.
I'm not sure what charts you are referencing, but you may not have read that the about 1/2 way through he updates his charts with data from Sep 2nd.
I'm not sure what charts you are referencing, but you may not have read that the about 1/2 way through he updates his charts with data from Sep 2nd.
1. He admits near the bottom that there is good chunk of the population that has already been infected with covid, and according to Israeli health officials… are over 20x times less likely to be infected with the delta variant. Being that the overall population is such highly vaccinated… there’s a good chance that a lot of previous infections are currently vaccinated and will skew the percentages which he alludes to near the end of the report. This segment of the population is virtually non existent as far as current hospitalizations or cases go. The “official” Google covid tracker shows that 12% of their population has been confirmed to have had covid. The CDC estimates in the U.S. the most likely real number is triple what the confirmed cases are based on their recent tests of random blood samples. I know we can’t translate this to Israel with certainty, but we do know at least 12% of the Israel population has been infected with covid for certain. I don’t know how strict Israel is with general testing but it’s very possible based on CDC U.S. data that 25-35% of the Israeli population has been infected already but again, I admit we can’t count on that. Although, would greatly skew the numbers if their data was similar to U.S. CDC data. My fiancé is from there and is currently there right now, and I can say for a fact that Israel has been far more strict than most areas in the U.S. with not giving much credit for previous infections. So it’s reasonable to assume a big chunk of that 12% is vaccinated that were pretty much immune already. And there’s a good chance that number could be closer to 25-35% that were already immune. This could be the reason the Israeli health officials and the Mayo Clinic have said the vaccines are only 40% effective. And also why Dr. Fauci and Pfizer have both called for boosters. That or they’re just making up excuses to make more money. Both are probably true.
I do want to make the point that I’m not saying the vaccines are worthless. I’m just saying the numbers don’t justify calling the vaccines the cure to all of our problems. Even the Moderna CEO has said Covid is here to stay forever.
2. Even if we assume no previous infections are vaccinated (although highly unlikely) we still have to put things in perspective. In my age group his numbers say I’m 1x more likely to be hospitalized if unvaxxed. I’m assuming he basically means double. So if I’m vaccinated, data shows I’m 6 times more likely to be murdered than die of covid for my age group. If I’m unvaccinated I’m only 3 times more likely to be murdered for my age group. Yea, double the protection sounds good, but 3 times more likely to be murdered still sounds pretty good too. Now if we start talking about the 50 and over age group then it’s another argument. I’ll admit those numbers are pretty significant. But again, his numbers assume no previous Covid infections are vaccinated.
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09-07-2021 | 06:24 AM
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Have you geniuses got all this figured out yet?
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