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Old 09-05-2021 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
Here is a credible synopsis of ALL ivermectin studies done up until July. "Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use of ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID‐19 outside of well‐designed randomized trials." Cochrane Library Study

So stop peddling political theater as fact. Your "followers" are taking horse medicine and they are going to the ER's in Oklahoma for over doses. Losing vision, seizures, heart palpitations... because they took Mr. Ed sized doses.
I can’t tell if you’re that oblivious or just ignorant. There is an animal version and a human version. Ask any doctor or the FDA. They will tell you. The fact that you don’t know that shows how ignorant you are on subject. NONE of the people going to the hospital for Ivermectin are going there for the human version. Over 2.8 BILLION people have used the human version since 1987. Researches won a Nobel prize for Ivermectin in humans in 2015. In 2019 the WHO listed Ivermectin as an essential medicine. Are you saying the WHO considers horse medication an essential medicine? Are you more educated on Ivermectin than the WHO? The FDA’s own website lists Ivermectin’s side effects no worse than Tylenol. Seizures are not one of them. The people you are referring to are going to the hospital for using their own random version of the animal version without ANY input from a doctor. Educate yourself. Please. There is a difference. As referenced by the FDA, CDC, NIH, and the WHO.

The link to your studies doesn’t work. But I have a feeling it’s like all the other studies. The conclusion will say “uncertain”. But in the report it’ll list how many people they tested. How many were tested for Ivermectin and how many for placebo. Then, it’ll give you the results for Ivermectin but then say nothing about how it compares to the results for placebo and then conclude it’s “uncertain”. If it does give any results… it will also say “high likelihood of bias”. I’ve asked in my previous comments to find data that shows 100% of the data collected. Not 25% of it.

You want to believe studies that are unwilling to report their data. But you ignore literally EVERY single study that reports it’s data, which btw, all support the use of Ivermectin. And these include a peer reviewed study, numerous other studies, EVERY doctor that has used it worldwide including thousands in the U.S., also India a country with over a billion people, and most recently a new Israeli study. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....31.21258081v1
This shows people who used Ivermectin after infection were on average 2.6 times more likely to test negative after 6 days than the placebo group.

this website is also the same source that people used to claim unvaccinated were 19x more likely to be hospitalized than vaccinated. Yet, they’re own statistical data I posted previously shows that is far from the truth.

This link also says it is not peer reviewed, but if you go to the homepage you’ll see it’s funded by Mark Zuckerburg. I’d find it hard to believe that the king of fact checks himself would have to fact check his own data as false or misleading.

Please educate yourself on the differences in Ivermectin. And please, if you post a contradicting study, please post one that shows 100% of the data they collected.
Old 09-05-2021 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
In pilots ivermectin wont work unless you head over to petsmart and get some fishmox (amoxicillin but for fish especially guppies). That is the cocktail of therapeutics to help guppies drivers 73.42% of the time every time. It is clinically approved to treat fin rot, excessive sweating, and low oxygen capacity in the gasper system. I know its all too technical and the dosing gets weird but you can't take your chances on that vaccine that was given a few billion times. How big is an average horse and how small is a fish for dosing... I would recommend taking everything rectally.
Please forward this to the FDA, WHO, CDC, and WHO. They would disagree with you. Ivermectin has been given more in HUMANS just on the continent of Africa than the vaccines have been given out world wide. You seem to know something these organizations don’t. There are two different kinds of Ivermectin. You seem to still not understand that or you’re just a troll.

Are you saying the India, Africa, ISRAEL, and doctors in the U.S. are giving their patients horse medicine. Please educate yourself on the different kinds of Ivermectin before you sound anymore foolish.
Old 09-05-2021 | 11:23 AM
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Please forward this to the FDA, WHO, CDC, and WHO. They would disagree with you. Ivermectin has been given more in HUMANS just on the continent of Africa than the vaccines have been given out world wide. You seem to know something these organizations don’t. There are two different kinds of Ivermectin. You seem to still not understand that or you’re just a troll.

Are you saying the India, Africa, ISRAEL, and doctors in the U.S. are giving their patients horse medicine. Please educate yourself on the different kinds of Ivermectin before you sound anymore foolish.
The GOOD horse medicine is in India? My link works great. The FDA, CDC, WHO, ... all agree that there is no data showing ivermectin is beneficial for covid. The link I provided looked at all studies done up to July (even the looney tune data you presented) and they talk about the clearly biased studies. The overwhelming amount of ivermectin studies which is an anti-parasitic is that it does not have any benefit to covid patients because primarily IT IS A VIRUS. Take the vaccine that works, wear a mask, and turn off the political commentary.
Old 09-05-2021 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
The GOOD horse medicine is in India? My link works great. The FDA, CDC, WHO, ... all agree that there is no data showing ivermectin is beneficial for covid. The link I provided looked at all studies done up to July (even the looney tune data you presented) and they talk about the clearly biased studies. The overwhelming amount of ivermectin studies which is an anti-parasitic is that it does not have any benefit to covid patients because primarily IT IS A VIRUS. Take the vaccine that works, wear a mask, and turn off the political commentary.

Well said! Let’s stick with USA data that clearly shows that vaccination keeps most folks out of the hospital. This is easy. Let’s move on to tougher problems.
Old 09-05-2021 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
The GOOD horse medicine is in India? My link works great. The FDA, CDC, WHO, ... all agree that there is no data showing ivermectin is beneficial for covid. The link I provided looked at all studies done up to July (even the looney tune data you presented) and they talk about the clearly biased studies. The overwhelming amount of ivermectin studies which is an anti-parasitic is that it does not have any benefit to covid patients because primarily IT IS A VIRUS. Take the vaccine that works, wear a mask, and turn off the political commentary.
I can’t get it work. Copy and paste the portions that show 100% of what they collected. Not just 25%. If you can’t find 100% of the data they collected then it’s the same as the rest of them. Every study that says it’s “uncertain” will never show all of their findings as I’m sure yours doesnt as well. Maybe your link doesn’t work for my iPhone. EVERY SINGLE study that reports it’s data in entirety all support the use of Ivermectin. Are you calling Israelis and Africans a bunch of looney tunes? Is the WHO a looney tune? Did the Nobel assembly give a horse medicine a Nobel Prize? More people have used Ivermectin than the vaccines and you call it looney tune data. You are the definition of anti science.

A million people took care of their headache with Advil yesterday. But somebody somewhere gave a horse an Advil once so that makes all those people looney tune conspiracy theorists.

The fact you still think all of these places used the horse version shows how uneducated you are. There are two, 2, dos, more than 1, multiple, not singular versions of Ivermectin.

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Old 09-05-2021 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by jtbost
Well said! Let’s stick with USA data that clearly shows that vaccination keeps most folks out of the hospital. This is easy. Let’s move on to tougher problems.
The U.S. data from June, 2 months ago, shows that 23% of hospitalizations are of vaccinated, While reporting 0% in January. June was BEFORE Dr. Fauci and Pfizer both said the vaccines wear off much faster than anticipated. The vaccines were reported weeks ago that they were less than 40% effective. How much more of percentage of hospitalizations are now vaccinated 2 months later? Why else would they be pushing boosters? We have over half the country vaccinated with a large number of people with natural immunity. Yet, we’re near our same peak of covid cases as last year when there were zero vaccines. Clearly the vaccines are at best 40% effective as reported and most likely less today. Every single country in Europe is reporting almost identical horrible results despite being 60-70% vaccinated. Several countries including the U.S. are reporting their highest covid numbers ever despite being some of the most vaccinated places on earth.

And yes, a country like India with over a billion people isn’t a big enough example. We need a trillion. Also, everyone knows Americans react to medicine differently than anywhere else in the world.
Old 09-05-2021 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
Here is a credible synopsis of ALL ivermectin studies done up until July. "Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use of ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID‐19 outside of well‐designed randomized trials." Cochrane Library Study

So stop peddling political theater as fact. Your "followers" are taking horse medicine and they are going to the ER's in Oklahoma for over doses. Losing vision, seizures, heart palpitations... because they took Mr. Ed sized doses.
btw, you fell for the trap. The hospital in Oklahoma you’re referring to put out an official statement. The doctor who made such claims hasn’t for worked for the hospital in over two months. And they also haven’t treated ANY patients for both complications of Ivermectin nor overdose of Ivermectin.
https://www.nwahomepage.com/news/aro...ergency-rooms/
Old 09-05-2021 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Thedude86
The U.S. data from June, 2 months ago, shows that 23% of hospitalizations are of vaccinated, While reporting 0% in January. June was BEFORE Dr. Fauci and Pfizer both said the vaccines wear off much faster than anticipated. The vaccines were reported weeks ago that they were less than 40% effective. How much more of percentage of hospitalizations are now vaccinated 2 months later? Why else would they be pushing boosters? We have over half the country vaccinated with a large number of people with natural immunity. Yet, we’re near our same peak of covid cases as last year when there were zero vaccines. Clearly the vaccines are at best 40% effective as reported and most likely less today. Every single country in Europe is reporting almost identical horrible results despite being 60-70% vaccinated. Several countries including the U.S. are reporting their highest covid numbers ever despite being some of the most vaccinated places on earth.

And yes, a country like India with over a billion people isn’t a big enough example. We need a trillion. Also, everyone knows Americans react to medicine differently than anywhere else in the world.
Source? Even today it's not even close to that.

https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/cov...om-the-states/

This is cumulative data from the Jun/July timeframe. The highest state reporting was under 1%. Just looking at my state's data from last week, it's 6%.
Old 09-05-2021 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Thedude86
The U.S. data from June, 2 months ago, shows that 23% of hospitalizations are of vaccinated, While reporting 0% in January. June was BEFORE Dr. Fauci and Pfizer both said the vaccines wear off much faster than anticipated. The vaccines were reported weeks ago that they were less than 40% effective. How much more of percentage of hospitalizations are now vaccinated 2 months later? Why else would they be pushing boosters? We have over half the country vaccinated with a large number of people with natural immunity. Yet, we’re near our same peak of covid cases as last year when there were zero vaccines. Clearly the vaccines are at best 40% effective as reported and most likely less today. Every single country in Europe is reporting almost identical horrible results despite being 60-70% vaccinated. Several countries including the U.S. are reporting their highest covid numbers ever despite being some of the most vaccinated places on earth.

And yes, a country like India with over a billion people isn’t a big enough example. We need a trillion. Also, everyone knows Americans react to medicine differently than anywhere else in the world.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/virus-...-vaccine-dose/

Fourth shot incoming. Every six months from there. Israel which had the fastest roll out of the vax in the world and had the highest participation rate.

Logic and marxism do not mix. I repeat they DO NOT MIX.
Old 09-05-2021 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
Source? Even today it's not even close to that.

https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/cov...om-the-states/

This is cumulative data from the Jun/July timeframe. The highest state reporting was under 1%. Just looking at my state's data from last week, it's 6%.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...356v1.full.pdf

Go to page 23. The 23% includes both single and double dose in June. As you can see the numbers increase over time from previous months. The CDC supplies a lot of the data in the report but I wasn’t able to verify if that particular data comes from the CDC. Regardless, the website is funded by Mark Zuckerberg and I can’t imagine him fact checking his own funded data. And again, this was before Dr. Fauci and Pfizer said the vaccines wear off much faster than anticipated.

The problem with a lot of hospitals is that they’ll give anyone a covid test that isn’t vaccinated even if they come for something unrelated like a broken leg. A big reason why some hospitals only report 1-10% vaccinated is because they include these unrelated hospitalizations among the unvaccinated as well.

Given the fact that the U.S. and every single other highly vaccinated country are seeing some of their highest covid numbers ever with some countries reporting a majority of their hospitalizations being among the vaccinated, along with Dr. Fauci later stating the vaccines wear off… it only makes sense that the U.S.’s hospitalization percentage would be on par with the rest of the world. Otherwise, we would be considered a one off rarity.
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