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Old 09-03-2021 | 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
You keep bringing up India or Isreal as if some small snippet of misinterpreted data is going to prove your point. Look at all the data available to you from your own backyard. NJ 70%+ with at least one dose. 88% of new infections from the unvaccinated. Of the breakthrough cases 98% don't visit a doctor let alone an ER. Your studies and conspiracy websites are pure theater for the weak minded.
Exactly. I don’t care what’s going on in India. Lots of good data here at home. I’m afraid the feeble minded have succumbed to FAR right politics and can’t be helped at this point. Pray for them.
Old 09-03-2021 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
You keep bringing up India or Isreal as if some small snippet of misinterpreted data is going to prove your point. Look at all the data available to you from your own backyard. NJ 70%+ with at least one dose. 88% of new infections from the unvaccinated. Of the breakthrough cases 98% don't visit a doctor let alone an ER. Your studies and conspiracy websites are pure theater for the weak minded.
Small Snippet? You do realize India has over TRIPLE the population of the U.S. right? Their cases were off the charts a few months ago, and now they’re almost non existent while only being 10% vaccinated. You call a population of over a BILLION people a small snippet then proceed to use a U.S. state as not a small snippet? What?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...356v1.full.pdf

Go to page 23 of this link. The CDC supplies some but not all the data on the whole report. This is the same report that people refer to that claim the unvaccinated are 19x more likely to be hospitalized. I’ll admit I subtracted the unvaccinated to get 23%. The chart shows that’s misleading as they include the single doses. But even with that… in January it shows 0% fully vaccinated with 2 doses. In June that number climbs to 16% fully vaccinated with 2 doses or 23% if you include single dose. All while only 40-45% of the population was vaccinated. Again, that was 2 months ago. BEFORE Israel had a majority of the covid cases being vaccinated. BEFORE both Israel and Iceland have their highest covid numbers ever. BEFORE Dr. Fauci and Pfizer said that the vaccines are wearing off much faster than anticipated. How much worse do you think it is now? And why do you think CDC gives a lot of recent data, but that particular data is 2 months old?
Old 09-03-2021 | 10:28 AM
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You want a mind blower… emergency use authorization is only approved if there is no authorized therapeutic available… if any of these become approved before the vaccines are approved for normal use the eua is no longer in effect.
Old 09-03-2021 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by jtbost
Exactly. I don’t care what’s going on in India. Lots of good data here at home. I’m afraid the feeble minded have succumbed to FAR right politics and can’t be helped at this point. Pray for them.
Youre right. A population of over a billion people isn’t good enough. It’s an absolute miracle that EVERY single person and doctor that’s used Ivermectin as directed has had any kind of success with it. The fact that you can’t find one person that’s used it as directed that would advise against it is an absolute miracle. Keep looking. Maybe in 5 years you’ll find someone. There’s more people in my hometown that’s had a dangerous reaction to the vaccine than people that’s had a negative reaction to Ivermectin in the entire world. (Not counting your articles where someone is experimenting with their meth lab).

But please. Continue, to use your overlords who actually have no data whatsoever other than “uncertain” and haven’t seen any actual patients. And I’ll continue to use the millions of people around the world including the U.S. and thousands of doctors who have used it in actual patients for the last 1.5 years as actual data. Every actual study and USE that shows the data in entirety says it works. You can’t find ONE study that shows it doesn’t work unless you exclude certain data to fit your argument. You are the definition of anti-science.
Old 09-03-2021 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by blockplus
You want a mind blower… emergency use authorization is only approved if there is no authorized therapeutic available… if any of these become approved before the vaccines are approved for normal use the eua is no longer in effect.
You must have just joined the conversation. Of course nothing will be approved unless it comes from Pfizer or somewhere else with major financial backing.

This is also why Pfizer is getting special treatment with their authorization despite Israel saying it’s only 39% effective. The Mayo Clinic says it’s 42% effective. Meanwhile, moderna has less side effects and is over 70% effective. Moderna to my knowledge hasn’t even discussed boosters on a large scale yet.

Moderna has deep pockets, but they don’t have Pfizer pockets. All data and evidence shows Moderna kicks Pfizer’s butt. Yet, for some reason Pfizer is getting all the approvals right now including their boosters right around the corner.

It’s truly remarkable because for the last year and a half big pharma has put profits aside for the common good and strictly only cared about their fellow man.
Old 09-03-2021 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast
AA, Delta, SWA, Sun Country, Allegiant, Fedex, UPS, the other acmi airlines and every regional seem to be doing fine without making their employees take the experimental gene therapy.

But somehow United pilots will do whatever their pilot hating, little-man syndrome suffering, failed out of upt ceo says and then defend it.
The list of countries requiring vaccination is growing as the science keeps supporting its safety and effectiveness against covid. The anti-science people can clap in the corner so we know what their hands are doing.
Old 09-03-2021 | 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
The list of countries requiring vaccination is growing as the science keeps supporting its safety and effectiveness against covid. The anti-science people can clap in the corner so we know what their hands are doing.
Lol please provide the science that shows its working. Just because a country is added to the list doesn’t mean their vaccines are working. Provide the data please. ALL the science shows the U.S., Israel, Iceland, and all of Europe are either currently at their HIGHEST covid levels EVER or at least very close to it including pre-vaccine. Most of these places are over 60% vaccinated. The numbers and percentages of vaccinated people in hospitals are growing and getting worse by the day. If people don’t get their boosters the differences between vaccinated and unvaccinated will be unmeasurable in a month or two which Dr. Fauci and Pfizer have both hinted at.

The only place that has shown ANY success is India. They’re only 10% vaccinated. Yet, their covid numbers are almost non existent. Miraculously, they’re the only place that has used Ivermectin on a wide scale even though a billion people is considered a small snippet of data now apparently. It really is a miracle because according to your non existent data… Ivermectin doesn’t work and people using it are dropping like flies.
Old 09-03-2021 | 04:04 PM
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I’m always interested how the group that believes the science on the vaccine was rushed & insufficient is convinced the science is conclusive on Ivermectin (or whatever the present month’s flavor happens to be.) Yeah, I know- India’s case rate dropped. End of story, right? Sure, as long as the only data points you look at are India’s approval of a Ivermectin & their case rate trend. You can’t isolate for variables like lockdown & mask mandates. You can’t look at countries in South America that have been using it much longer & still experiencing infection spikes regardless.

Is the India timeline interesting? Yes. Worthy of further investigation? Sure. But that science hasn’t been done yet. I’m talking peer reviewed, double blind, by reputable researchers with supporting studies & broad acceptance by the scientific community. Saying “A happened then B followed” isn’t conclusive, and it isn’t science. It’s a hypothesis. As obvious as you believe your common sense conclusions to be, you’re only looking at what you can see; and any number of unseen factors can be distorting your view. There is a process for determining causality, and without that process you’re just guessing.
Old 09-03-2021 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by hummingbear
I’m always interested how the group that believes the science on the vaccine was rushed & insufficient is convinced the science is conclusive on Ivermectin (or whatever the present month’s flavor happens to be.)

How? The virus was immediately politicized. Vaccine hesitancy is purely an extension of the initial inept & divisive politics.

This is why we have witnessed the most harebrained, feeble, deplorable, disingenuous and deceitful anti-vax rationalizations in this thread. Waste of time really. All under 64 will be vaxxed in less than 3 weeks.

Sorry to cut it so clean, but it does walk like a duck….


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Old 09-03-2021 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by A320fumes
How? The virus was immediately politicized. Vaccine hesitancy is purely an extension of the initial inept & divisive politics.

This is why we have witnessed the most harebrained, feeble, deplorable, disingenuous and deceitful anti-vax rationalizations in this thread. Waste of time really. All under 64 will be vaxxed in less than 3 weeks.

Sorry to cut it so clean, but it does walk like a duck….


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Yep, it's out of hand tbh. Getting ready for all the anti vaxxers to be fired and no longer allowed to operate in society. Looking forward to that day.
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