UAL Vaccination
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Wrong. It totally works for malaria.
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It’s truly amazing how the vax pumpers will strongly push, to the end of the world, all potential treatments are useless. It’s perfectly fine to believe in the vax, and also keep an open mind when it comes to treatment options. It doesn’t then make you a crazy anti vax person to do so.
I know from personal experience that most hospitals will refuse any sort of treatment once admitted. It’s a hope for the best, or here’s your vent, good luck! People are actually suing to force hospitals to allow some form of intervention other than being intubated. It’s crossing the line of medical malpractice on a large scale.
Politics have completely taken this thing over and few have any sort of open mind. The vax may be very effective, but treatments such as the monoclonal AB treatment may be highly effective as well.
I know from personal experience that most hospitals will refuse any sort of treatment once admitted. It’s a hope for the best, or here’s your vent, good luck! People are actually suing to force hospitals to allow some form of intervention other than being intubated. It’s crossing the line of medical malpractice on a large scale.
Politics have completely taken this thing over and few have any sort of open mind. The vax may be very effective, but treatments such as the monoclonal AB treatment may be highly effective as well.
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It’s truly amazing how the vax pumpers will strongly push, to the end of the world, all potential treatments are useless. It’s perfectly fine to believe in the vax, and also keep an open mind when it comes to treatment options. It doesn’t then make you a crazy anti vax person to do so.
I know from personal experience that most hospitals will refuse any sort of treatment once admitted. It’s a hope for the best, or here’s your vent, good luck! People are actually suing to force hospitals to allow some form of intervention other than being intubated. It’s crossing the line of medical malpractice on a large scale.
Politics have completely taken this thing over and few have any sort of open mind. The vax may be very effective, but treatments such as the monoclonal AB treatment may be highly effective as well.
I know from personal experience that most hospitals will refuse any sort of treatment once admitted. It’s a hope for the best, or here’s your vent, good luck! People are actually suing to force hospitals to allow some form of intervention other than being intubated. It’s crossing the line of medical malpractice on a large scale.
Politics have completely taken this thing over and few have any sort of open mind. The vax may be very effective, but treatments such as the monoclonal AB treatment may be highly effective as well.
Stay home.
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I don't know where you are getting your numbers or "real data" from but the CDC, FDA, etc aren't recommending Ivermectin for Covid. It is an anti-parasitic and covid is a virus. Every study or source you have presented has been questionable if not outright biased propaganda. The CDC is the one you need to convince not a bunch of pilots. They are the experts and do you really, truly believe your "india data" will hold up to any scrutiny? Your data is majority backed up by people with Hotmail email addresses instead of teaching hospitals, medical research labs, or basically any legitimate medical employers... doesn't that make you wonder?
The CDC already has a multiple safe, effective vaccines that reduce the spread. Masks work. Finding 1 out of 10 or 20 studies that aligns with your political conspiracy theory doesn't throw out the other 9 or 19 studies.
The CDC already has a multiple safe, effective vaccines that reduce the spread. Masks work. Finding 1 out of 10 or 20 studies that aligns with your political conspiracy theory doesn't throw out the other 9 or 19 studies.
2. Are you saying numerous studies, at least one peer reviewed study, and a country with over a BILLION people using Ivermectin nationwide isn’t good enough for you? https://www.cureus.com/articles/6480...thcare-workers
this is peer reviewed. It’s not from a hotmail address. It shows Ivermectin is far more successful than any vaccine without boosters. And even the booster effectiveness is still up for debate. This is far more data that shows Ivermectin works than anything the CDC or FDA has ever put out. Again, any data they show is only data from one group at a time. They never show their own studies in entirety, only partially.
You’re basically saying you don’t care about actual science and would rather listen to opinion based studies instead of any studies with any actual data. There are numerous other studies. Are the thousands of doctors that have used Ivermectin in the last year in the U.S. not good enough for you? Are they a bunch of crazies? Even though you can’t find ONE doctor that’s used it that would advise against it? Is India with a population of over a billion people using Ivermectin nationwide not good enough for you? They’ve almost wiped out Covid. Would a trillion people using Ivermectin be good enough? Sounds like those billions of Indians are just a bunch of conspiracy theorists who happened to get lucky. Please, go be a hero and tell them your opinions from the CDC and FDA are more reliable than their actual real world data.
Fun fact… the FDA’s own list of side effects for covid vaccines are significantly worse than the FDA’s own list of side effects for Ivermectin (which are the same as Tylenol). The FDA lists death as a side effect for the vaccines, not ivermectin. Ivermectin is sooooo dangerous that anyone who has ever used it has been completely fine. Oh wait, you’ll probably find someone who cooked it up with their meth and died and then say, “see it’s dangerous.”
You’re putting more faith in opinion and hope rather than actual fact, data, and science.
If you honestly don’t know the difference between Ivermectin in animals (injected liquid) and the human form (pill) you are just plain ignorant at this point. There is a major difference as even referenced by the FDA.
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Of all the data that’s shown in entirety (unlike the FDA, CDC, NIH, etc. ) they show Ivermectin is MORE effective in treating Covid than any vaccine.
The vaccines are so effective that a majority of hospitalizations in Israel are of the vaccinated. Even though they are 85% vaxxed in adults. They’re also seeing their highest covid numbers of all time. Iceland has had so much success with their vaccines they’re also seeing their highest covid numbers of all time despite being 90% vaxxed. The U.S. was around 40-45% vaxxed in June, but our vaccines are so effective that 23% of hospitalizations were vaxxed. Again, that was June. Before Dr. Fauci and Pfizer said the vaccines significantly drop off in effectiveness as time goes on. The CDC hasn’t updated those numbers since June, but given Fauci and Pfizer’s statements it would be foolish not to assume the vaccinated occupies much higher than 23% now.
Some will post a chart from the CDC that says, unvaxxed 17x that, 19x this, and 13x whatever. But on that same chart you’ll see 23% of hospitalizations are of the vaccinated. And again, the last update was June. It’s far worse now.
#1628
It’s truly amazing how the vax pumpers will strongly push, to the end of the world, all potential treatments are useless. It’s perfectly fine to believe in the vax, and also keep an open mind when it comes to treatment options. It doesn’t then make you a crazy anti vax person to do so.
I know from personal experience that most hospitals will refuse any sort of treatment once admitted. It’s a hope for the best, or here’s your vent, good luck! People are actually suing to force hospitals to allow some form of intervention other than being intubated. It’s crossing the line of medical malpractice on a large scale.
Politics have completely taken this thing over and few have any sort of open mind. The vax may be very effective, but treatments such as the monoclonal AB treatment may be highly effective as well.
I know from personal experience that most hospitals will refuse any sort of treatment once admitted. It’s a hope for the best, or here’s your vent, good luck! People are actually suing to force hospitals to allow some form of intervention other than being intubated. It’s crossing the line of medical malpractice on a large scale.
Politics have completely taken this thing over and few have any sort of open mind. The vax may be very effective, but treatments such as the monoclonal AB treatment may be highly effective as well.
I think we both agree this has become hyper-politicized, which leads to blind spots on both sides. The virus doesn’t care about red or blue- either something works or it doesn’t. Science is finding vaccines & treatments that can work together to lessen this pandemic. But there has to be science behind the methods we're pursuing. What’s weird is we have experienced immunologist Dr. Fauci & the CDC on one side, and Tucker Carlson & an army of YouTubers on the other, and we’re supposed to pretend they bear equal weight.
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The only one who thinks it’s a kitchen sink approach is you. Out of the thousands of doctors in the U.S. and millions of people around the world that have actually used Ivermectin for Covid… you can’t find one that’s advised against it. Other than the FDA who’s never seen an actual patient and doesn’t provide their own data in entirety. Even Dr. Fauci has yet to come out and say it doesn’t work. You seek more medical advice from media outlets than actual doctors who have used it around the world.
Of all the data that’s shown in entirety (unlike the FDA, CDC, NIH, etc. ) they show Ivermectin is MORE effective in treating Covid than any vaccine.
The vaccines are so effective that a majority of hospitalizations in Israel are of the vaccinated. Even though they are 85% vaxxed in adults. They’re also seeing their highest covid numbers of all time. Iceland has had so much success with their vaccines they’re also seeing their highest covid numbers of all time despite being 90% vaxxed. The U.S. was around 40-45% vaxxed in June, but our vaccines are so effective that 23% of hospitalizations were vaxxed. Again, that was June. Before Dr. Fauci and Pfizer said the vaccines significantly drop off in effectiveness as time goes on. The CDC hasn’t updated those numbers since June, but given Fauci and Pfizer’s statements it would be foolish not to assume the vaccinated occupies much higher than 23% now.
Some will post a chart from the CDC that says, unvaxxed 17x that, 19x this, and 13x whatever. But on that same chart you’ll see 23% of hospitalizations are of the vaccinated. And again, the last update was June. It’s far worse now.
Of all the data that’s shown in entirety (unlike the FDA, CDC, NIH, etc. ) they show Ivermectin is MORE effective in treating Covid than any vaccine.
The vaccines are so effective that a majority of hospitalizations in Israel are of the vaccinated. Even though they are 85% vaxxed in adults. They’re also seeing their highest covid numbers of all time. Iceland has had so much success with their vaccines they’re also seeing their highest covid numbers of all time despite being 90% vaxxed. The U.S. was around 40-45% vaxxed in June, but our vaccines are so effective that 23% of hospitalizations were vaxxed. Again, that was June. Before Dr. Fauci and Pfizer said the vaccines significantly drop off in effectiveness as time goes on. The CDC hasn’t updated those numbers since June, but given Fauci and Pfizer’s statements it would be foolish not to assume the vaccinated occupies much higher than 23% now.
Some will post a chart from the CDC that says, unvaxxed 17x that, 19x this, and 13x whatever. But on that same chart you’ll see 23% of hospitalizations are of the vaccinated. And again, the last update was June. It’s far worse now.
or is this just something you made up?
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You keep bringing up India or Isreal as if some small snippet of misinterpreted data is going to prove your point. Look at all the data available to you from your own backyard. NJ 70%+ with at least one dose. 88% of new infections from the unvaccinated. Of the breakthrough cases 98% don't visit a doctor let alone an ER. Your studies and conspiracy websites are pure theater for the weak minded.
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