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Old 09-02-2021 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by YXnot
From the AMAS medicine database for pilots


Stomectol
ivermectin
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Ground Trial required to rule out side effects

The Y is for FAA allowed.
Might want to call your AME if you plan on taking it as a prophylaxis. Hydroxychloroquine is also a Y, but was grounding for off-label use while on it +48 hours.
Old 09-02-2021 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
Might want to call your AME if you plan on taking it as a prophylaxis. Hydroxychloroquine is also a Y, but was grounding for off-label use while on it +48 hours.
plus the whole part about it not working

https://scitechdaily.com/researchers...-for-covid-19/
Old 09-02-2021 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
plus the whole part about it not working

https://scitechdaily.com/researchers...-for-covid-19/

Wrong. It totally works for malaria.
Old 09-02-2021 | 09:18 PM
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It’s truly amazing how the vax pumpers will strongly push, to the end of the world, all potential treatments are useless. It’s perfectly fine to believe in the vax, and also keep an open mind when it comes to treatment options. It doesn’t then make you a crazy anti vax person to do so.

I know from personal experience that most hospitals will refuse any sort of treatment once admitted. It’s a hope for the best, or here’s your vent, good luck! People are actually suing to force hospitals to allow some form of intervention other than being intubated. It’s crossing the line of medical malpractice on a large scale.

Politics have completely taken this thing over and few have any sort of open mind. The vax may be very effective, but treatments such as the monoclonal AB treatment may be highly effective as well.
Old 09-03-2021 | 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
It’s truly amazing how the vax pumpers will strongly push, to the end of the world, all potential treatments are useless. It’s perfectly fine to believe in the vax, and also keep an open mind when it comes to treatment options. It doesn’t then make you a crazy anti vax person to do so.

I know from personal experience that most hospitals will refuse any sort of treatment once admitted. It’s a hope for the best, or here’s your vent, good luck! People are actually suing to force hospitals to allow some form of intervention other than being intubated. It’s crossing the line of medical malpractice on a large scale.

Politics have completely taken this thing over and few have any sort of open mind. The vax may be very effective, but treatments such as the monoclonal AB treatment may be highly effective as well.
If you're upset with hospitals for not deviating from proven treatment options and refusing to experiment with the Facebook "kitchen sink" approach, then I have a simple suggestion for you...

Stay home.
Old 09-03-2021 | 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquaticus
I don't know where you are getting your numbers or "real data" from but the CDC, FDA, etc aren't recommending Ivermectin for Covid. It is an anti-parasitic and covid is a virus. Every study or source you have presented has been questionable if not outright biased propaganda. The CDC is the one you need to convince not a bunch of pilots. They are the experts and do you really, truly believe your "india data" will hold up to any scrutiny? Your data is majority backed up by people with Hotmail email addresses instead of teaching hospitals, medical research labs, or basically any legitimate medical employers... doesn't that make you wonder?

The CDC already has a multiple safe, effective vaccines that reduce the spread. Masks work. Finding 1 out of 10 or 20 studies that aligns with your political conspiracy theory doesn't throw out the other 9 or 19 studies.
1. Please show how ANY of my studies are propaganda. Are you saying the thousands of doctors in the U.S. that have had success with Ivermectin are pushing propaganda? Is the entire country of India pushing propaganda? Is the Nobel assembly pushing propaganda? Is the entire continent of Africa pushing propaganda? Also, please show just 1 study from the CDC or FDA with actual data that says Ivermectin is harmful. They’ve put out several studies that claim it’s “uncertain” or “unclear” but none of these studies show both data collected from the ivermectin tested groups and the comparator placebo groups at the same time. Every study either says “high likelihood of bias” or they don’t provide any data at all from their own placebo groups to compare it to. So yea, your CDC data is real scientific. I’m not saying it is, but there is more evidence of the CDC pushing propaganda than anything I’ve posted. (Using your standards). The only one saying what I’ve posted is biased is you. Any study the CDC, FDA, or NIH puts out actually admits there is bias in their own report.

2. Are you saying numerous studies, at least one peer reviewed study, and a country with over a BILLION people using Ivermectin nationwide isn’t good enough for you? https://www.cureus.com/articles/6480...thcare-workers
this is peer reviewed. It’s not from a hotmail address. It shows Ivermectin is far more successful than any vaccine without boosters. And even the booster effectiveness is still up for debate. This is far more data that shows Ivermectin works than anything the CDC or FDA has ever put out. Again, any data they show is only data from one group at a time. They never show their own studies in entirety, only partially.

You’re basically saying you don’t care about actual science and would rather listen to opinion based studies instead of any studies with any actual data. There are numerous other studies. Are the thousands of doctors that have used Ivermectin in the last year in the U.S. not good enough for you? Are they a bunch of crazies? Even though you can’t find ONE doctor that’s used it that would advise against it? Is India with a population of over a billion people using Ivermectin nationwide not good enough for you? They’ve almost wiped out Covid. Would a trillion people using Ivermectin be good enough? Sounds like those billions of Indians are just a bunch of conspiracy theorists who happened to get lucky. Please, go be a hero and tell them your opinions from the CDC and FDA are more reliable than their actual real world data.

Fun fact… the FDA’s own list of side effects for covid vaccines are significantly worse than the FDA’s own list of side effects for Ivermectin (which are the same as Tylenol). The FDA lists death as a side effect for the vaccines, not ivermectin. Ivermectin is sooooo dangerous that anyone who has ever used it has been completely fine. Oh wait, you’ll probably find someone who cooked it up with their meth and died and then say, “see it’s dangerous.”

You’re putting more faith in opinion and hope rather than actual fact, data, and science.

If you honestly don’t know the difference between Ivermectin in animals (injected liquid) and the human form (pill) you are just plain ignorant at this point. There is a major difference as even referenced by the FDA.
Old 09-03-2021 | 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by flyprdu
If you're upset with hospitals for not deviating from proven treatment options and refusing to experiment with the Facebook "kitchen sink" approach, then I have a simple suggestion for you...

Stay home.
The only one who thinks it’s a kitchen sink approach is you. Out of the thousands of doctors in the U.S. and millions of people around the world that have actually used Ivermectin for Covid… you can’t find one that’s advised against it. Other than the FDA who’s never seen an actual patient and doesn’t provide their own data in entirety. Even Dr. Fauci has yet to come out and say it doesn’t work. You seek more medical advice from media outlets than actual doctors who have used it around the world.

Of all the data that’s shown in entirety (unlike the FDA, CDC, NIH, etc. ) they show Ivermectin is MORE effective in treating Covid than any vaccine.

The vaccines are so effective that a majority of hospitalizations in Israel are of the vaccinated. Even though they are 85% vaxxed in adults. They’re also seeing their highest covid numbers of all time. Iceland has had so much success with their vaccines they’re also seeing their highest covid numbers of all time despite being 90% vaxxed. The U.S. was around 40-45% vaxxed in June, but our vaccines are so effective that 23% of hospitalizations were vaxxed. Again, that was June. Before Dr. Fauci and Pfizer said the vaccines significantly drop off in effectiveness as time goes on. The CDC hasn’t updated those numbers since June, but given Fauci and Pfizer’s statements it would be foolish not to assume the vaccinated occupies much higher than 23% now.

Some will post a chart from the CDC that says, unvaxxed 17x that, 19x this, and 13x whatever. But on that same chart you’ll see 23% of hospitalizations are of the vaccinated. And again, the last update was June. It’s far worse now.
Old 09-03-2021 | 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy23
It’s truly amazing how the vax pumpers will strongly push, to the end of the world, all potential treatments are useless. It’s perfectly fine to believe in the vax, and also keep an open mind when it comes to treatment options. It doesn’t then make you a crazy anti vax person to do so.

I know from personal experience that most hospitals will refuse any sort of treatment once admitted. It’s a hope for the best, or here’s your vent, good luck! People are actually suing to force hospitals to allow some form of intervention other than being intubated. It’s crossing the line of medical malpractice on a large scale.

Politics have completely taken this thing over and few have any sort of open mind. The vax may be very effective, but treatments such as the monoclonal AB treatment may be highly effective as well.
Also amazing how anti vaxers will grab at any straw they can to prove that the vaccine isn’t necessary. There are lots of effective treatments in use & development- like the antibodies you mentioned- but every month there’s a new miracle cure based on some Fox News segment that has no scientific backing. I hear a lot less from the antivax crowd about the actual treatments that are being backed by research & results, and a lot more about the present internet flavor of the month.

I think we both agree this has become hyper-politicized, which leads to blind spots on both sides. The virus doesn’t care about red or blue- either something works or it doesn’t. Science is finding vaccines & treatments that can work together to lessen this pandemic. But there has to be science behind the methods we're pursuing. What’s weird is we have experienced immunologist Dr. Fauci & the CDC on one side, and Tucker Carlson & an army of YouTubers on the other, and we’re supposed to pretend they bear equal weight.
Old 09-03-2021 | 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Thedude86
The only one who thinks it’s a kitchen sink approach is you. Out of the thousands of doctors in the U.S. and millions of people around the world that have actually used Ivermectin for Covid… you can’t find one that’s advised against it. Other than the FDA who’s never seen an actual patient and doesn’t provide their own data in entirety. Even Dr. Fauci has yet to come out and say it doesn’t work. You seek more medical advice from media outlets than actual doctors who have used it around the world.

Of all the data that’s shown in entirety (unlike the FDA, CDC, NIH, etc. ) they show Ivermectin is MORE effective in treating Covid than any vaccine.

The vaccines are so effective that a majority of hospitalizations in Israel are of the vaccinated. Even though they are 85% vaxxed in adults. They’re also seeing their highest covid numbers of all time. Iceland has had so much success with their vaccines they’re also seeing their highest covid numbers of all time despite being 90% vaxxed. The U.S. was around 40-45% vaxxed in June, but our vaccines are so effective that 23% of hospitalizations were vaxxed. Again, that was June. Before Dr. Fauci and Pfizer said the vaccines significantly drop off in effectiveness as time goes on. The CDC hasn’t updated those numbers since June, but given Fauci and Pfizer’s statements it would be foolish not to assume the vaccinated occupies much higher than 23% now.

Some will post a chart from the CDC that says, unvaxxed 17x that, 19x this, and 13x whatever. But on that same chart you’ll see 23% of hospitalizations are of the vaccinated. And again, the last update was June. It’s far worse now.
show us this chart that says “far worse than” 23% of covid hospitalizations are among the vaccinated.

or is this just something you made up?
Old 09-03-2021 | 06:23 AM
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You keep bringing up India or Isreal as if some small snippet of misinterpreted data is going to prove your point. Look at all the data available to you from your own backyard. NJ 70%+ with at least one dose. 88% of new infections from the unvaccinated. Of the breakthrough cases 98% don't visit a doctor let alone an ER. Your studies and conspiracy websites are pure theater for the weak minded.
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