UAL Vaccination
08-06-2021 | 07:11 AM
#702
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I feel really sad for your entire pilot group that United has chosen to further divide you. I am hoping that ALPA will come forward and fight to exclude the pilots from this decision.
If you are arguing that this vaccine is a social responsibility, I encourage you to log off Facebook and look at legitimate medical research studies. The one I included here shows that the viral load is similar between the unvaccinated and the vaccinated. Which means regardless of your vaccination status, you can transmit the virus. The vaccine and any medical procedure for that matter, should be a personal decision.
For those of you saying that it is a privilege to work at a private company, you are right. It was also a privilege of nearly every airline to receive billions of dollars of taxpayer money so that they didn't have to close their doors. I would expect the same level of compassion be offered to their employees. Your fellow pilots have worked their entire lives to get where they are at. The decision to abandon their careers because you think they should get a shot should not be taken lightly and you should offer a little more respect to your peers.
The 7 day average of new cases is 100,199 (at the time of this post). That means (assuming you are infectious for 10 days) their are currently 1,001,990 infectious people in the US right now. The population is 330,000,000.
1,001,990/330,000,000=0.3% of the US population which is 1 out of every 300 people.
The only viable argument here is that of reducing symptoms and mortality in infected patients. That has absolutely nothing to do with you or your company. Neither you nor United leadership will be standing next to them during their last breaths. The decision to get vaccinated is a personal one with personal consequences.
Educate yourselves with facts. Stop being so hostile to people who don't think like you. Stop letting them divide you.
If you are arguing that this vaccine is a social responsibility, I encourage you to log off Facebook and look at legitimate medical research studies. The one I included here shows that the viral load is similar between the unvaccinated and the vaccinated. Which means regardless of your vaccination status, you can transmit the virus. The vaccine and any medical procedure for that matter, should be a personal decision.
For those of you saying that it is a privilege to work at a private company, you are right. It was also a privilege of nearly every airline to receive billions of dollars of taxpayer money so that they didn't have to close their doors. I would expect the same level of compassion be offered to their employees. Your fellow pilots have worked their entire lives to get where they are at. The decision to abandon their careers because you think they should get a shot should not be taken lightly and you should offer a little more respect to your peers.
The 7 day average of new cases is 100,199 (at the time of this post). That means (assuming you are infectious for 10 days) their are currently 1,001,990 infectious people in the US right now. The population is 330,000,000.
1,001,990/330,000,000=0.3% of the US population which is 1 out of every 300 people.
The only viable argument here is that of reducing symptoms and mortality in infected patients. That has absolutely nothing to do with you or your company. Neither you nor United leadership will be standing next to them during their last breaths. The decision to get vaccinated is a personal one with personal consequences.
Educate yourselves with facts. Stop being so hostile to people who don't think like you. Stop letting them divide you.
08-06-2021 | 07:11 AM
#703
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Joined: May 2018
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From: DC-3 / Braniff
Fantastic! From your own link, “medRxiv publishes preliminary scientific reports that are not peer-reviewed and, therefore, should not be regarded as conclusive, guide clinical practice/health-related behavior, or treated as established information”.
You will be more sad for us when you hear that the ALPA message I received today confirms that this is an HR problem, not a union problem.
You will be more sad for us when you hear that the ALPA message I received today confirms that this is an HR problem, not a union problem.
As you can imagine, conducting peer reviews takes time. Then again, they didn't wait to properly trial the vaccine which you apparently jumped all over. Therefore you should accept this article.
08-06-2021 | 07:13 AM
#704
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From: DC-3 / Braniff
You have one post on this entire forum, and it is used to spread vaccine misinformation to spread disinformation. Either you’re a bot, or your hat is lined with tin foil. It’ll be easy to find you if your are an actual pilot for United as you’ll probably have healing crystals on your lap during takeoff and touchdown.
08-06-2021 | 07:15 AM
#705
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From: I'm here, i'm there, i'm everywhere...
I’ll first say that I am vaccinated. I got it as soon as it became available.
I will also say that I am 100% against vaccination mandates. We’re all allowing the government and society to take away our freedoms and our choice. This is unacceptable.
I think everyone should get the vaccine. I’m 100% opposed to any kind of mandate requiring it.
I will also say that I am 100% against vaccination mandates. We’re all allowing the government and society to take away our freedoms and our choice. This is unacceptable.
I think everyone should get the vaccine. I’m 100% opposed to any kind of mandate requiring it.
08-06-2021 | 07:17 AM
#706
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Great news. Very proud of United today.
Electronic vaccine passports now! Everywhere.
Electronic vaccine passports now! Everywhere.
08-06-2021 | 07:20 AM
#707
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From: Pilot
Fantastic! From your own link, “medRxiv publishes preliminary scientific reports that are not peer-reviewed and, therefore, should not be regarded as conclusive, guide clinical practice/health-related behavior, or treated as established information”.
You will be more sad for us when you hear that the ALPA message I received today confirms that this is an HR problem, not a union problem.
You will be more sad for us when you hear that the ALPA message I received today confirms that this is an HR problem, not a union problem.
Those that have double standards have no standards.
While medRxiv is not yet peer reviewed, it is far more reliable and accurate than the dishonest politically motivated garbage that comes from your employer and the CDC.
08-06-2021 | 07:27 AM
#708
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I’ll first say that I am vaccinated. I got it as soon as it became available.
I will also say that I am 100% against vaccination mandates. We’re all allowing the government and society to take away our freedoms and our choice. This is unacceptable.
I think everyone should get the vaccine. I’m 100% opposed to any kind of mandate requiring it.
I will also say that I am 100% against vaccination mandates. We’re all allowing the government and society to take away our freedoms and our choice. This is unacceptable.
I think everyone should get the vaccine. I’m 100% opposed to any kind of mandate requiring it.
08-06-2021 | 07:40 AM
#709
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From: Retired from UAL
Because it puts other folks at risk for no good reason. Their families and their livelihood. That’s why I’m vaccinated. I’m not scared of getting sick but I’d hate to see it happen to friends or family. I also want to see the poor countries get through this with our help. I want to see travel restrictions lifted and the airlines prosper. I want others to have the career I had. Getting this shot was easy. Politics and Pundits want to make it hard.
08-06-2021 | 07:42 AM
#710
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From: guppy CA
I’ll first say that I am vaccinated. I got it as soon as it became available.
I will also say that I am 100% against vaccination mandates. We’re all allowing the government and society to take away our freedoms and our choice. This is unacceptable.
I think everyone should get the vaccine. I’m 100% opposed to any kind of mandate requiring it.
I will also say that I am 100% against vaccination mandates. We’re all allowing the government and society to take away our freedoms and our choice. This is unacceptable.
I think everyone should get the vaccine. I’m 100% opposed to any kind of mandate requiring it.
But this sets a very bad precedent and those cheering this do not understand that they're forfeiting the right to complain in the future about any management decisions.
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