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#591
Because you miss the big concern and unknown: possible mutations and variants which the current vaccines may not be effective against at all. Large populations of unvaccinated people clustered together in certain regions allow for the possibility of a variant developing that just might not be stopped from making a fully-vaccinated person seriously ill. Add to that the free movement of people around this country, and gradually the world, and this new variant can more easily spread to other regions. Both my parents were in the medical profession, though not immunology or virology, and have said this needs to be taken seriously based on conversations with their colleagues. When I see an interview on TV with someone who was in the ICU for five months with COVID and almost died and yet he still says he’d do it again vs. taking a vaccine, I seriously don’t know how any holdout will be convinced. I no longer have sympathy, but yet their “freedoms and choices” just might affect my family, my livelihood and my life.
#592
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Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR;[url=tel:3270790
3270790[/url]]Think we are a few weeks from mandatory vaccines. Thank GOD! Looking forward to getting this behind us and the variants.
Two years ago, I bet you would’ve been outraged at the idea of treating healthy people with no symptoms as if they were diseased and forcing an experimental product on them that only reduces symptoms.
Look at you now, cheering it on due to 24/7 propaganda and fear based conditioning. I bet you haven’t had control of your own critical thinking skills your entire adult life.
#593
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Joined: Jan 2017
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From: Pilot
Vaccines do not prevent variants.
COViD is not something we can control. It will not go away.
COVID risk can be reduced with vaccination, proper treatment of those infected and good general health.
The new response is total hysteria.
COViD is not something we can control. It will not go away.
COVID risk can be reduced with vaccination, proper treatment of those infected and good general health.
The new response is total hysteria.
#594
Yes! Thank you! Your conclusions, with what appears to be a HS biology class under your belt, are only yours. They are not shared by anyone in the scientific/medical community. I’m glad you understand that. And ‘forming your own opinion’ based on incomplete data and a complete lack of understanding of virology is not how the scientific method works.
#595
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From: In favor of good things, not in favor of bad things
You kind of proved my point brah, thanks. The original quote I responded to was from Bluesteal “it came from a Wuhan Lab”. Nowhere in the Israeli or WHO reports do they have proof it came from a lab. Wuhan China is where it first appeared in humans, that is a fact. But as I stated NOWHERE do we have proof it originated in a lab in Wuhan which is what I stated. The Spanish flu patient zero was in Kansas btw, nobody ever accused the US of releasing it from a lab did they?
"It did NOT come from a Wuhan lab. There has been NO absolute proof where it came from. None. You are dealing out lies. I could say the virus came from you and I have the same amount of proof."
At this point to say or suggest there is "NO absolute proof..." pointing to Wuhan or China more broadly is absurd. There is serious talk about that, the lab included. If you're asking for a final report put out by "top men" at this point, especially given the socio political hot potato this is, you're a fool.
#596
Yes! Thank you! Your conclusions, with what appears to be a HS biology class under your belt, are only yours. They are not shared by anyone in the scientific/medical community. I’m glad you understand that. And ‘forming your own opinion’ based on incomplete data and a complete lack of understanding of virology is not how the scientific method works.
This information isn’t coming from my “HS biology class”. I fully realize that I may not have a full grasp of virology, but I’m pretty sure these people understand it more than the both of us.
#597
They are shared by many healthcare professionals and researchers. Just not the ones you are reading. Try these: Dr. Peter McCullough (vice chief of internal medicine at Baylor University Medical Center), Dr. Vladimir Zelenko ( a board certified family physician and nominated for the Nobel Prize for his successful treatment of COVID patients) and Michael Yeadon, Ph.D (a life science researcher and former vice-president and chief scientist of allergy and respiratory research at Pfizer).
This information isn’t coming from my “HS biology class”. I fully realize that I may not have a full grasp of virology, but I’m pretty sure these people understand it more than the both of us.
This information isn’t coming from my “HS biology class”. I fully realize that I may not have a full grasp of virology, but I’m pretty sure these people understand it more than the both of us.
#598
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Joined: Jun 2014
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Let’s get some things straightened out regarding these “variants”. COVID-19 is caused by the SARS-Cov-2 virus. According to researchers, This virus is 78% similar to the original SARS-Cov-1 virus that was around in the early 2000s. Early on in the pandemic, because of its similarities researchers wanted to see if people that had gotten infected with, and recovered from SARS-Cov-1 still had any antibodies/natural immunity from the current SARS-Cov-2 strain. So they examined blood samples from some of these people and discovered that yes they did have antibodies/immunity from SARS-Cov-2. Now fast forward to the current situation with some of these variants of SARS-Cov-2 (ie Delta variant). According to a former Phizer VP and molecular biologist, these variants are no more than 0.3% different than the original strain. Said another way, its 99.7% similar. So, the next obvious question is: If someone that had SARS-Cov-1, which is 78% similar to the SARS-Cov-2, still retains natural immunity, then how can someone with a vaccine against SARS-Cov-2 not be protected from a variant that is 99.7% similar to the original strain??? That doesn’t make sense. Then the only question left to ask is: Why isn’t the vaccine protecting someone from a variant that is only 0.3% different?? My conclusion from that information is that this EUA vaccine is not performing the way it was intended. My conclusions are just that, mine. But you can read this information and form your own opinion.
#599
Sounds about right. A cardiologist, family medicine and life science researcher constitute "many" researchers for you. I had trouble finding a single peer-reviewed article and/or study that any of these three produced. Have you read any? I don't mean Rudy Giuliani's endorsement of Zelenko, but an actual published article. Also, wasn't Zelenko the one who prescribed patients an untested and unproven cocktail of hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and zinc. So you will take this cocktail, but not a vaccine?
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