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Old 08-06-2021 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by DashTrash
What the Company did today does not infringe on anyone’s rights, take away their freedoms, or anything like that!!! They are a private sector business and have made a decision regarding their business. The courts have upheld that businesses can require vaccinations as a condition of employment.

All that happened today was the Company is making all of their employees accountable for their decisions. Both decisions have consequences. One is a positive consequence, and the other is negative. We all need to be accountable for our decisions as adults. Each person has the right to decline a vaccination, but there is a consequence for that decision.

At some point there will be a “Vaccination Passport” that foreign countries will require to step foot in their countries. If you’re not vaccinated, you are a liability to United because you cannot perform work that you were hired to perform. That’s a problem because they’re still paying for your benefits and they’re not getting anything in return.

It time for those people that choose not to get vaccinated accept the consequences for their actions. I’ve accepted the consequences for getting my vaccination. Time to grow up and be an adult!!!
Speaking of costing money, I would be surprised if this didn’t either prevent a massive increase in insurance premiums or provide a large discount. Good luck.
Old 08-06-2021 | 10:16 AM
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I wonder how many of our currently unvaxed pilots will choose to get a vax card through other means? They don't have much to lose at this point.
https://slate.com/technology/2021/07...scam-fake.html
Old 08-06-2021 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Vernon Demerest
Okay. I won’t make things “political”. You should try and do the same.
Like it or not, this politics is inextricably embedded in this topic.
Question: If Trump were the POTUS right now, do you think that United (or any other company's) management would have required everyone get vaccinated?
Old 08-06-2021 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by AAL763
Don’t mind the fact the CDC has been changing their messaging since the pandemic began.
You mean the message and guidance evolves as the virus does? Wow. What a concept.

Do you ever change heading when deviating around weather, as it changes, or is it full steam ahead?
Old 08-06-2021 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Like it or not, this politics is inextricably embedded in this topic.
Question: If Trump were the POTUS right now, do you think that United (or any other company's) management would have required everyone get vaccinated?
did you miss his taking credit for all operation warp speed and vaccine development, nearly dying, then being basically first in line for the vaccine?
Old 08-06-2021 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by El Peso
According to CNBC, 90% of UAL pilots are already vaccinated and 80% of flight attendants. There may be surprisingly minimal pushback from ALPA and above the wing folks.
Amazing what happens when pilots are paid to get the vaccine, moral high ground goes out the window.
Old 08-06-2021 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 121guy
If that is true then why are they pushing this? Let the people who don’t want it fly domestic. This seems like a PR stunt (at your expense).
Just to emphasize I don’t know that this is true. It’s just what I saw reported on CNBC.
Old 08-06-2021 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by series
The CDC? That the same organization that used the Provincetown Bear Week Orgy(TM) cohort to justify remasking guidance?
It was actually the Fourth of July weekend that the mess all started. Bear week started on 7/10. For future reference, your photos have a date/time stamp typically.
Old 08-06-2021 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by 121guy
If that is true then why are they pushing this? Let the people who don’t want it fly domestic. This seems like a PR stunt (at your expense).
How will the numbers look if they were able to validate each card? We know of several that submitted fake cards.
Old 08-06-2021 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by rld1k
Lol this argument is so stupid I don't even know where to begin. You may feel comfortable accepting the consequences personally, but many people aren't. It stops becoming a personal decision when your employer will fire you for deciding wrong.

That's like saying you have a choice to speak out against the government in China. You'll be jailed but decisions have consequences.
And by many people, you mean the 10% of pilots that haven't yet.
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