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Old 04-16-2022 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Fat Old Tired
They were running classes every week, supposedly hiring 200 a month for as far as the eye can see. Not sure why they cut back maybe too much going on in ftc and long wait for ioe.
Because they ALWAYS overestimate how many pilots they can train. I entered the industry in late 2015 and heard the same line every year, “we’re going to hire 1,500 to 2000 pilots this year” from the likes of Delta and United. Only Delta had one year where they hired over 1,000 pilots (1,200 total), until of course this recent hiring madness where both will brake 1,000 easy. But generally they never even come close to the numbers they want to actually hire. It’s obviously because you can only train so many men and women each year.

200 a month would be well over 2,000 pilots in a year. I seriously doubt we ever hit that mark.
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Old 04-16-2022 | 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald
No kidding, it used to be called "Skynet." Yes, the Terminator Skynet.....
and before employeeRES there was the much more functional weblist that you could pick your own custom connection cities for nonreving but still have it all on one PNR.
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Old 04-17-2022 | 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill
Because they ALWAYS overestimate how many pilots they can train. I entered the industry in late 2015 and heard the same line every year, “we’re going to hire 1,500 to 2000 pilots this year” from the likes of Delta and United. Only Delta had one year where they hired over 1,000 pilots (1,200 total), until of course this recent hiring madness where both will brake 1,000 easy. But generally they never even come close to the numbers they want to actually hire. It’s obviously because you can only train so many men and women each year.
I think any of us who have been in this industry for a while expected 200+/month would eventually overwhelm the system. I’m actually impressed they managed to keep it going as long as they did without taking a break. Kirby & his team seem very focused on aggressive growth, & I don’t see this as a change in that focus- just an adjustment to the reality of our actual training capacity. We’ve had backlogs of 2 months or more waiting for IOE, & it becomes harder to justify bringing new people on property with full pay & benefits when they can’t actually do any work for months.

I think they want to be training as many pilots as they can actually handle, & my guess is that moving forward, they’ll accomplish that in one of two ways.

1. Reduce class sizes/frequency to a number that keeps the flow of new pilots as high as possible without delays.

2. Continue the “balls to the wall” strategy & just take unscheduled breaks from time to time when backlogs get too overwhelming.

In the long term, option 1 would be the most efficient, but it may take an approach that more closely resembles option 2 to settle on that magic number- sometimes you have to exceed a limit to find out where it actually is.
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Old 04-17-2022 | 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
and before employeeRES there was the much more functional weblist that you could pick your own custom connection cities for nonreving but still have it all on one PNR.
EmployeeRes > Search Flights > Advanced Search > Custom Routing
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Old 04-17-2022 | 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill
Because they ALWAYS overestimate how many pilots they can train. I entered the industry in late 2015 and heard the same line every year, “we’re going to hire 1,500 to 2000 pilots this year” from the likes of Delta and United. Only Delta had one year where they hired over 1,000 pilots (1,200 total), until of course this recent hiring madness where both will brake 1,000 easy. But generally they never even come close to the numbers they want to actually hire. It’s obviously because you can only train so many men and women each year.

200 a month would be well over 2,000 pilots in a year. I seriously doubt we ever hit that mark.
I’ve been here about 8 and a half months and have just over 1600 people below me. If they can hire another 350 by august that would be 2000 pilots in a year.
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Old 04-17-2022 | 06:45 AM
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They are on track for 2000 this year and likely 2000 next year. The Bottle neck wasn’t the company, but the FAAs availability to do the Checkairman sign off rides, I believe that issue has been resolved.
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Old 04-17-2022 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JoePatroni
EmployeeRes > Search Flights > Advanced Search > Custom Routing
Yo. Thank you for that. Seriously. Changed my life.
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Old 04-17-2022 | 01:16 PM
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Just curious when they start the background check process, been a bit since CJO and still haven't received any forms/PRIA authorizations, signature forms, etc....

Current company had that all to me a few days after the offer, just again want to make sure I'm not missing anything.

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Old 04-17-2022 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Cazadores
Just curious when they start the background check process, been a bit since CJO and still haven't received any forms/PRIA authorizations, signature forms, etc....

Current company had that all to me a few days after the offer, just again want to make sure I'm not missing anything.

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As I understand it all that is done in BI.
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Old 04-17-2022 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by KnightNight
They are on track for 2000 this year and likely 2000 next year. The Bottle neck wasn’t the company, but the FAAs availability to do the Checkairman sign off rides, I believe that issue has been resolved.
That’s good to hear. Having 1,000+ pilots and counting hired behind you compared to those pilots actually flying the line can be large. I was recently told we have over 800 pilots (and counting) who probably won’t be bidding until after the summer. I’m more concerned on how many are bidding behind me, not how many are behind me in reference to seniority.
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