The bottom of the list is fully of folks just happy to be here and don't want to rock the boat, just keep the quick upgrades coming and all is well. The company is counting on it.

 

i love all the garbage takes on new folks being the weak link. yep. bunch of starry eyed “Shinny Jet” peeps… no way some weathered UAL veteran could be the one eyeing his/her sweet little carve out in a contract extension

 

I’m one of those starry-eyed new folks just happy to be here. The quick upgrades are largely due to horrendous reserve rules, which I would like to see brought up to industry standard even if it means upgrade times go up. Don’t worry, just keep the mentoring coming. I listen closely to the CA’s I fly with and often take notes. I doubt I’m the only one. Let’s get some serious improvements in this contract. Cheers! 🍻

 

Many of us come from ULCC where money was already really good and in some cases qol wasn't too bad. I'm happy to be here and I'm ready to make our contract better. We deserve it as professionals

 

This post warmed my heart. If all newbies had your attitude, we’d have all the leverage we need. Thanks for paying attention. As mentioned earlier, the company hopes you are so enamored with just being here, that you ignore the fact that they are spending money like sailors on shore leave on everything EXCEPT our cba. Welcome to the party!

 

Tons of great pilots and people in the new hire classes. Pretty much always been that way. And to be clear they should be happy to be here, lots of good going on in flight ops and united is a first choice for many of them.

I think our contract is good in many ways but obviously always room for improvements. I think most of us know where those improvements should be. Pay rate increases are obviously long overdue. JetA and 100L are getting a bit expensive for my tastes right now.

but hey at least we feel appreciated for all the "hard work" we've done thru covid.

 

I remember when Dubo said C2K was a money contract; the next one would be work rules.

No matter which subset within our group (senior/middle/junior), more than half will base their vote on section 3. Always.

I'm not counting on many work rule changes in the next TA. Same as the last 25 years.

 

'We don''t want to kill the golden goose, we just want to choke it by the neck until it gives us every last egg.''

 

When making sweeping generalizations about whose willing to accept mediocre make sure you include all the pilots who think it’s their job to save the company money to be profitable so they can keep their great job that they like and don’t want to rock and the old pilots who are so senior they’re not really affected by the negatives in the contract and don’t keep up with what is industry leading or even standard (MPG, reserve rules, vacation day pay, training pay per day, commuter requirements etc. for example) and see this as their last chance to make more money before they’re forced out and have zero problems selling the future quality of life of the pilot group down the river to get theirs. And of course the union leadership who want a win on their records for their ego and an increased dues contribution for their war chest who peddle garbage to the pilot group and tell them it’s the best they can do because getting more is “like trying to get money from a bum”.

Collectively, pilot groups need to do a better job of saying no the first offer and accept shorter term pain for the long term outlook.

 

Unfortunately it killed the Golden Goose. Bankruptcy followed by the worst contract cycle in the history of the airline industry.