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06-16-2022 | 10:11 AM

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Pro2nd

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Originally Posted by pilot772

What am I missing I see 4, 3.25, 3.25

I just used the published current UPS rates from the APC profile page. Maybe I'm missing something.

06-16-2022 | 10:18 AM

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Embraerpilot

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Originally Posted by Pro2nd

I just used the published current UPS rates from the APC profile page. Maybe I'm missing something.

Those numbers are from our last contract extension 2 years ago

06-16-2022 | 10:31 AM

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Mytime2025

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United will never be industry leading

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Originally Posted by Ualhvyjet

From a friend below:

UPS pilots have negotiated a tentative agreement (TA).
So their A-Fund pension is $4,650 x YOS (years of service, 30 max) = $139,500 per year in retirement.
They also used to get 12% B fund. No detail yet what the increase in B fund looks like.
81 hour monthly guarantee.
They got a contract in 2016 with 14.65% pay increase at date of signing and 3% every year since, 4% in 2021 and 3% in 2022.

United has the same work rules since 2012 ... and pay rates unchanged from Jan 2019.

United has ZERO, NADA, NOTHING for a pension..and the pilots are unwilling to even fight for one.

06-16-2022 | 10:36 AM

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pilot772

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Originally Posted by Pro2nd

I just used the published current UPS rates from the APC profile page. Maybe I'm missing something.

Gotcha the last chart has the the 2022 rate and the subsequent rates are 4%, 3.25%, 3.25% better

06-16-2022 | 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mytime2025

United has ZERO, NADA, NOTHING for a pension..and the pilots are unwilling to even fight for one.

why would someone fight for something they don’t want?

06-16-2022 | 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Mytime2025

United has ZERO, NADA, NOTHING for a pension..and the pilots are unwilling to even fight for one.

I've got an idea! Lets use our 16% to buy company stock! YGTBSM

06-16-2022 | 12:13 PM

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fadec

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Screwing over the senior bros with a single pay band is a good first step but it doesn't go far enough. I propose we let management, not seniority, be the gatekeeper for top paying positions, e.g. check airmen and flight instructor. Honestly even just the latter would be a step in the right direction as long as the narrow body check airmen rate is higher than widebody captain. Hopefully we get both, but I'll settle for one of these.

06-16-2022 | 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fadec

I propose we let management, not seniority, be the gatekeeper for top paying positions, e.g. check airmen and flight instructor.

Actually, that’s how it is now.

06-16-2022 | 01:21 PM

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I have it on good authority there will be no pony in this contract.

06-16-2022 | 01:58 PM

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clubord

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Originally Posted by worstpilotever

I have it on good authority there will be no pony in this contract.

Bit of a side track but a true story.

Years ago I saw a guy in Newark grabbing a whole bunch of those contractually required granola bars in the CPO and put them in his bag. I made a comment about how I'm glad to see at least one person actually eats these. He said "Hell no, they aren't for me - but my horse absolutely loves them."

We laugh, but the no pony thing may be a deal breaker...