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06-22-2022 | 08:14 AM
#32
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I hear a lot of..... "No changes to scope." It's pretty much a guarantee that Scope is going to change, it does every cycle. Im of the opinion that as long as there is a reduction in the number of total seats allowed in the Express operation, the makeup of how many 50 seat vs 76 jets matters much less. Most likely we will see a smaller Express operation with more 76 seat jets tied to mainline growth. That would still be a win in my opinion.
06-22-2022 | 08:46 AM
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I hear a lot of..... "No changes to scope." It's pretty much a guarantee that Scope is going to change, it does every cycle. Im of the opinion that as long as there is a reduction in the number of total seats allowed in the Express operation, the makeup of how many 50 seat vs 76 jets matters much less. Most likely we will see a smaller Express operation with more 76 seat jets tied to mainline growth. That would still be a win in my opinion.
Every time scope was relaxed, this is how to was sold. And we're still buying it? Mainline grows because it's good business. Not because we buy it by giving away parts of our contract.
06-22-2022 | 09:05 AM
#35
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I guess that's where we disagree. As long as the total number of express seats allowed go down, I dont care what the jet allocation is.
06-22-2022 | 09:17 AM
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This is very short-sighted regarding scope. UAL is hiring every pilot they can find… right up until they aren’t. At some point in the next downturn whoever is CEO will ABSOLUTELY exploit every loophole they can find in scope.I don’t know the UAL scope well enough to know whether a few more 175’s can be given in exchange for better protection somewhere else in the section. Sometimes change isn’t a concession, it’s just a change. That said, NONE of the changes should be made relying on the fact that times are good, so who needs protection in writing.
06-22-2022 | 09:36 AM
#37
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For me,
1. Scope (if the company wants to reduce the number of 50 seaters and wants some more 70-76 seaters, I'd consider it to a point...not to exceed any more RJs than we have now.)
2. QOL things (vacation, sick leave, training pay, min day credit, rigs)
3. Reserve rules (never know when you'll return to reserve)
4. Compensation
1. Scope (if the company wants to reduce the number of 50 seaters and wants some more 70-76 seaters, I'd consider it to a point...not to exceed any more RJs than we have now.)
2. QOL things (vacation, sick leave, training pay, min day credit, rigs)
3. Reserve rules (never know when you'll return to reserve)
4. Compensation
06-22-2022 | 10:06 AM
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Did you miss the part about two short years ago? Your blind eye won't benefit you.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2492IG
United Airlines sending 'gut punch' furlough warnings to 36,000 workers
This was July 8, 2020. Less than two years ago.https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2492IG
06-22-2022 | 10:11 AM
#39
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So you’re deciding this based on a pandemic? Even with 0 RJs they’d have tried to furlough the pilots. What makes you think that no RJ’s means the company can’t furlough? They’d have still furloughed. Vote how you want, but flying a few more 76 seaters and getting rid of 200 50 seaters is a massive scope gain. Massive.
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