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09-22-2022, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by J3nkums
Lol what kind of Kool Aid do they serve over at UAL if you believe a pilot hired last year will have 10k pilots below them in 2025? 🤣
09-22-2022, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
A pilot hired February 2022 (this year) has over 1,000 junior to them and a pilot hired May 2021 has 3,000. If we do in fact get 100+ More widebodies like Kirby said, we will have to increase those numbers by 30%.
09-22-2022, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Meekrob;[url=tel:3499296
3499296]yeah you could live in base if you wanted as a junior ca on reserve. just pay $3500/mo for a 600sqft apartment with shared laundry. Step over homeless people as you make your way to your off street parking spot and put a fresh roll of duct tape over your smashed car windows.
Originally Posted by flyguy81
Jr bases for CA are PHX and DEN. OAK and LAX have gone more sr as it incurs a 6 mo ETOPS lock and people don’t want to get stuck commuting to CA for half a year. QOL > $ here unless you got alimony payments to make.
ETOPS lock?!? ROFLMAO. There’s a training lock for flying over water?!?! HA! Every fleet here does that, save for the bus.
09-23-2022, 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
You could literally be talking about every domicile for every major. Didn’t realize SWA had the lock on garden spot pilot bases, must be why you can’t fill a class and the attrition rate is so high.
ETOPS lock?!? ROFLMAO. There’s a training lock for flying over water?!?! HA! Every fleet here does that, save for the bus.
ETOPS lock?!? ROFLMAO. There’s a training lock for flying over water?!?! HA! Every fleet here does that, save for the bus.
09-23-2022, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
You could literally be talking about every domicile for every major. Didn’t realize SWA had the lock on garden spot pilot bases, must be why you can’t fill a class and the attrition rate is so high.
ETOPS lock?!? ROFLMAO. There’s a training lock for flying over water?!?! HA! Every fleet here does that, save for the bus.
ETOPS lock?!? ROFLMAO. There’s a training lock for flying over water?!?! HA! Every fleet here does that, save for the bus.
Do all Bus pilots get Etops trained even though they’ll never do it?
09-23-2022, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
Company doesn’t want to pay to train 8500 people who won’t ever do it. They wanted a Etops base lock to “get their $ worth” out of you to justify the training cost. New hires forced in those bases have no lock if those bases are at the bottom of their vacancy bid.
Do all Bus pilots get Etops trained even though they’ll never do it?
Do all Bus pilots get Etops trained even though they’ll never do it?
09-23-2022, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
We’ve hired almost 3,000 since May 2021. That’s barely over a year. Current projection is 60-70 a week for the rest of the year. We have 55 unfilled 737 Captains just in LAX. With 500 airplanes being delivered in 5 years (each plane requires 8 crews or 16 pilots) that’s 8,000 pilots. That also doesn’t cover the current shortfall of about 1,500 vacancies we have now. We just put a guy with 13 months on the property into the 756 as a Captain.
This doesn’t include the WB order (100+ planes) that will be announced soon. Kirby said he needs to get hiring up to 150 a week, but we can’t do that until 2024 because they need to finish the new building at the training center.
Not really crackpipe, its just what’s happening.
This doesn’t include the WB order (100+ planes) that will be announced soon. Kirby said he needs to get hiring up to 150 a week, but we can’t do that until 2024 because they need to finish the new building at the training center.
Not really crackpipe, its just what’s happening.
the 500 NB aren’t pure growth either, much of the current UA NB fleet is getting long in the teeth and due for replacement soon
Yes we know UA has hired 3000 since May 21, no doubt that UA is capable of hiring 8000 in the next few years. The doubt is that UA will actually need 8000.
09-23-2022, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
A pilot hired February 2022 (this year) has over 1,000 junior to them and a pilot hired May 2021 has 3,000. If we do in fact get 100+ More widebodies like Kirby said, we will have to increase those numbers by 30%.
09-23-2022, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
please read the rest of the discussion before responding to the first post. Once you put the koolaid down you’ll realize that the 100 WB are for replacing the antique fleet of 777s and 767s.
the 500 NB aren’t pure growth either, much of the current UA NB fleet is getting long in the teeth and due for replacement soon
Yes we know UA has hired 3000 since May 21, no doubt that UA is capable of hiring 8000 in the next few years. The doubt is that UA will actually need 8000.
the 500 NB aren’t pure growth either, much of the current UA NB fleet is getting long in the teeth and due for replacement soon
Yes we know UA has hired 3000 since May 21, no doubt that UA is capable of hiring 8000 in the next few years. The doubt is that UA will actually need 8000.
3000 over next 5 years. Factor in the regionals are dying ( for now, potentially a recession /Covid type situation brings back the model but even then crj200,erj145 are time limited and no more 700/900 being produced, erj175-2 is out of scope) , lots of flying is moving back to mainline. It’s currently a race to secure bodies to provide NB feed to hubs. Even if we don’t hire 8000 but just 4000 things would be great. I take everything with a pessimistic eye bud I am hopeful strangely
09-23-2022, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JTwift
just to be more specific, early feb 22 hires have just shy of 1500 under them.
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