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Many of the deliveries scheduled next year to provide the lift for United Next won’t even be certified until late 2023, or early 2024. Don’t think they’re in quite the time crunch that they once thought. With reduced deliveries they can wait and see what the competition does and which way consumer spending goes. Hopefully we have something by next Thanksgiving.
Deliveries aren’t the problem. Those are inevitable. It’s attracting the right people at the right time to fly them that keeps management up at night. From new hires to FOs that never upgrade and Left coast vacancies. It’s the unknown numbers that matter right now.
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Deliveries affect how fast their plan can be realized. They definitely need a contract in place to grow at a rapid pace, but if things slow down their need to return to the table is reduced. Classes are still full, our pay is still in line with American and Delta, and we’ve yet to see if we get new crew bases and how that affects vacancies once the flying is spread out more. Until a competitor jumps ahead of us, they aren’t in as big of a hurry as we would like. We’re asking for a lot in this contract, and rightfully so. They’re not going to sign off on a huge increase in labor cost until it is either to their advantage to do so, or when they are left with no choice.
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Haven't seen your rumor on any of our FB pages, or non-FB chats, or even leaks from my leadership moles, or leaks from my LEC moles, so would love to know your source.
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I think they really do want us to buy into all this PPD “above & beyond” stuff- frankly, if you’re hiring 2,000+ a year, you should try to influence the rapidly changing culture. The thing is, another year of drawn-out stall tactics will do more to shape the attitude of the pilot group than they can ever fix in 5 years of telling us to pass out business cards to GS, etc. As aggressively as they’ve been investing in growth & expansion, I really don’t see why a modest increase above inflation would be a place to let the whole plan break down, but such I suppose is the hubris of the airline manager. Time will tell if they opt to pony up the cash & forge ahead or just get stuck fighting in the mud.
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The pay rates should be the same. It is the cost of doing business. ULCCs pay the same for tires, jet fuel, landing fees, airplanes, etc. The only reason they have been able to pay their pilots less is because we let them.