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12-03-2022 | 11:58 AM

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Pretty sure they’re on record a few times post-TUMI as saying the LOA 5% can’t be credited toward TA2. I think they understand that anyone voting for 13% would be facing recall- and that includes those who just got voted in.

So you're suggesting the company would go 5% over Delta's rates. Personally if that's what you think then I would say you're smokin' crack, and I hope to God above you are not representative of the majority of pilots at UAL. Hopefully most folks realize IF we get a better deal than Delta it won't be in the pay rates, AND hopefully most UAL pilots are intelligent enough to not be "one issue" voters.

From what I have seen so far the Delta deal is excellent, and I hope it leads to a similar but slightly better offer for us.

12-03-2022 | 12:06 PM

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I’m saying if the union approves 5% under Delta’s rates they’ll have a short stay in their positions.

12-03-2022 | 12:12 PM

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Point is, it will be really hard for the company to claim “industry leading” now that Delta has a UAL snap up. Unless they exceed Delta’s pay beyond the snap-up limitations, or blow them out of the water in work rules, we are now officially “industry following”.

“Industry Leading”
”Core 4”
”Good leads the way”

all nice catch phrases to make you feel warm and fuzzy but with little substance

12-03-2022 | 12:23 PM

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ERAUAV8TR

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“Industry Leading”
”Core 4”
”Good leads the way”

all nice catch phrases to make you feel warm and fuzzy but with little substance

i think they will make it right

12-03-2022 | 12:52 PM

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i think they will make it right

So after four years, now they will make it right?

12-03-2022 | 12:55 PM

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So after four years, now they will make it right?

I dont think they have a choice now. We are lucky someone was able to do the heavy lifting for us. Apparently we can't do it ourselves.

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12-03-2022 | 01:26 PM

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New hires already speaking with their feet. Management needs to make an expedited move…and quickly.

12-03-2022 | 01:27 PM

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I dont think they have a choice now. We are lucky someone was able to do the heavy lifting for us. Apparently we can't do it ourselves.

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Six years of “Only I can fix this” worked out well didn’t it?

12-03-2022 | 02:20 PM

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I’m saying if the union approves 5% under Delta’s rates they’ll have a short stay in their positions.

That's not what you said. You said 13% would be recall worthy. 13% on top of the 5% = 18% Delta rate. Are you not saying 18% on top of the already gotten 5%.

Delta's top rate is $354 so 18% puts it at $417.

Our top rate is now $369 18% more gets you $435.

13% gets you $417.

Are you saying $417 is recall worthy and you expect $435?

12-03-2022 | 02:44 PM

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Let's not forget that it looks like delta is eliminating the 319/320 pay band . If we do same and eliminate the 700/800/900 its more like a 22% raise for NB guys.