Delta AIP
12-03-2022 | 10:16 AM
#51
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They will not. We are never paid for block hours. We get credit, which is paid as flight pay on our pay stubs. All of my checks during UNA were paid as flight pay. Non-issue.
12-03-2022 | 10:25 AM
#52
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12-03-2022 | 10:26 AM
#53
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Originally Posted by tennisguru;[url=tel:3542599
3542599]They will not. We are never paid for block hours. We get credit, which is paid as flight pay on our pay stubs. All of my checks during UNA were paid as flight pay. Non-issue.
12-03-2022 | 10:58 AM
#55
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The “me too” kinda screws everyone. Why would UA management want to come in above this if they know DL will snap back up to 1% above? UA now CAN’T beat DL on pay, so they won’t try. It ensures DL will be the best paid by 1%, but puts a ceiling on pay across the industry.
DL and DL ALPA have their own remedies per their contract, but it has not a whit of binding authority on anyone else.
12-03-2022 | 11:21 AM
#56
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The “me too” kinda screws everyone. Why would UA management want to come in above this if they know DL will snap back up to 1% above? UA now CAN’T beat DL on pay, so they won’t try. It ensures DL will be the best paid by 1%, but puts a ceiling on pay across the industry. It’s a back door way to keep airlines from competing on pay without actually entering into an illegal collusive agreement. I have to think the “me too” was a request from DL management, not DALPA.
Someone else wrote this- but holds true.
The Rules Determine your Pay, Not the Pay Rates.
The company/UAL ALPA could just as easily offer the exact pay rates that Delta has offered.. but then we get 5:20 per day, higher International Override ($10/6) and all of a sudden we have the same rate, but paid slightly more than our Brothers & Sisters over at Delta flying the same type of routes.
Big picture, a Snap Up is a positive thing within our industry. Even if the big 3 don't raise the rates on their respective TA's.. what happens in 4ish years of one carrier actually has an extension with payraises?!
Think this is one area where we don't need to worry about nefarious intentions~
Just my Opinions
Always
Motch
12-03-2022 | 11:42 AM
#58
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That better have some crazy improvements on QOL, retirement, reserve, vacation, sick, Ltd...etc. TBH, I don't care what they put out as far as pay, it is going to be around Deltas new numbers. They can make it up in other improvements.
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12-03-2022 | 11:52 AM
#59
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Pretty sure they’re on record a few times post-TUMI as saying the LOA 5% can’t be credited toward TA2. I think they understand that anyone voting for 13% would be facing recall- and that includes those who just got voted in.
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