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Old 12-02-2022 | 07:22 PM
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Yeah no way are we gonna ever see this...starting to fly sate on Monday...
if it wasn't for AA sticking a finger into SK we would have TUMI...sword fights did COEX in and it's gonna do SK in also...his vision isn't this...but its mine or better...wait till he sees how long it takes me to get through security now ...im going with the PAX's
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Old 12-02-2022 | 07:34 PM
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Old 12-02-2022 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
Your group had the stones to turn yours down, and so did AA. That sent a message to all of our management’s that we would not accept lackluster agreements. I was hoping for better back pay, but the soft money items are much better than we had so it’s still a decent agreement. Now you all need to go out and beat ours by a few percent and get a DAL+1% me too clause so we can keep ratcheting up off each other each month or year. I’m sure it’s only revisited each year unfortunately, if it was a monthly thing, we would have made it to where we all deserve to be in a year or two.
DAL’s AIP allows for 2 bites at the “me too” Apple. One each for UA and AA.
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Old 12-02-2022 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
Your group had the stones to turn yours down, and so did AA. That sent a message to all of our management’s that we would not accept lackluster agreements. I was hoping for better back pay, but the soft money items are much better than we had so it’s still a decent agreement. Now you all need to go out and beat ours by a few percent and get a DAL+1% me too clause so we can keep ratcheting up off each other each month or year. I’m sure it’s only revisited each year unfortunately, if it was a monthly thing, we would have made it to where we all deserve to be in a year or two.
We only had the stones to turn it down after AA immediately offered the exact same deal because it was such a con. Had that not happened I think there were enough “well we should lock in some gains now before the economy goes south” or “I’m not on reserve so I don’t care” or “we’ll it’s just a little scope give” people to at least get it close to 50%.
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Old 12-02-2022 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by togaflaps
Better sick leave, vacation, min day, pay, retro reserve and NO FSB? Wow. Really want to see their scope when it comes to their WB flying.
”FSB”? (Delta guy)
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Old 12-02-2022 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr
”FSB”? (Delta guy)
Field Stand By. Airport reserve.
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Old 12-02-2022 | 09:00 PM
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If the company wants to fill new hire classes they better beat these rates quickly. Not sure why anyone would want to come to United with Delta having pay 34% mor than us. Better call Boeing and tell them to get rid of some of those orders because we cant’ staff them.
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Old 12-02-2022 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
If the company wants to fill new hire classes they better beat these rates quickly. Not sure why anyone would want to come to United with Delta having pay 34% mor than us. Better call Boeing and tell them to get rid of some of those orders because we cant’ staff them.
Its not immediately 34% although I wish it was
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Old 12-03-2022 | 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
If the company wants to fill new hire classes they better beat these rates quickly. Not sure why anyone would want to come to United with Delta having pay 34% mor than us. Better call Boeing and tell them to get rid of some of those orders because we cant’ staff them.
Dear Christ stop. Forget the rates. Stop looking at rates. Everything else is what matters. Looking at rates is why we have the moronic distinction that allows the company to staff widebody flying with less reserves than necessary. It's why we allow pilots to sit at the airport on reserve. Etc.

Stop looking at rates.


Do they matter? Yes. But they're the last thing you should give a **** about when comparing deltas AIP and our contract.

Deltas CURRENT contract obliterates us as is.
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Old 12-03-2022 | 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
If the company wants to fill new hire classes they better beat these rates quickly. Not sure why anyone would want to come to United with Delta having pay 34% mor than us. Better call Boeing and tell them to get rid of some of those orders because we cant’ staff them.
It’s a consideration.
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