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Old 02-01-2023 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
You lost me! You say it would make no difference to UAL pilots.....then you acknowledge that DC on PS would amount to 1%
In other words, we could either get:
A. 7% of annual earnings as cash OR
B. 6% of annual earnings as cash and 1% in 401k
(since 16% DC on 6% earnings = ~1% of earnings)

I would rather have the the first option.

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Old 02-01-2023 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
In other words, we could either get:
7% of annual earnings as cash OR
6% of annual earnings as cash and 1% in 401k

I would rather have the first option.

Understood.

But, as has been pointed out, changing the PS formula for all employees might be tough to do. Getting a DC on top of the PS (Delta match at 18% DC) is comparably much easier. Ensure you get the pattern bargaining Delta match as a minimum. You guys have a lot of nuggets to get a Delta match on.
Somebody alluded to this before, but here is a link to an article by a Delta pilot/author. If anyone wants to take their negotiations seriously, it's worth a six minute read....just in case you get a phone poll....

https://pilotmathtreasurebath.com/20...-just-one/amp/


BTW....and get NAVBLUE bidding and DC on PS
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Old 02-02-2023 | 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
In other words, we could either get:
A. 7% of annual earnings as cash OR
B. 6% of annual earnings as cash and 1% in 401k
(since 16% DC on 6% earnings = ~1% of earnings)

I would rather have the the first option.
As pointed out, you are wrong. The DC has zero bearing in our formula.
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Old 02-06-2023 | 07:13 PM
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The ask is 10.5b. You heard it here first.
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Old 02-06-2023 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by elmetal
If we're talking about switching PBS bidding software (not vacation bidding or anything else which is what the OP was talking about), then Navblue wins hands down. Anyone who's used Navblue would undoubtedly agree.
My regional and LCC used navblue too. I wish we had it here, badly.
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Old 02-07-2023 | 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by togaflaps
My regional and LCC used navblue too. I wish we had it here, badly.
We do have it here badly.
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Old 02-07-2023 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by dailyops
"After many years of SSC pursuit, including looking at every PBS vendor, and their programing and ability to optimize, the decision was made to develop our own new interface unlike anything that exists in the market today."
As an NK employee who deals with interfaces unlike anything that exists elsewhere, I would like to point out, they didn’t say it would be better.
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Old 02-07-2023 | 12:52 PM
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The thing I hate most with our pbs system is that you can only Award Pairings with a single layover per line. So if you see an awesome 3 day trip with layovers in A and B that you really want, you have to either preference laying over in A over B or B over A. The system will then award you a trip with Layover A and then EWR, instead of layover B that you wanted. My only recourse is going through the bid packets, finding the individual trip numbers, and then awarding that specific pairing before any of my preferences in PBS. So then I have like 20-30 lines of individuals trips I want. OH and then on the 10th they update all the trips in the packet and you have to go through ALL OF THEM to make sure the company didn't change a pairing number.

Navblue was the best.
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Old 02-07-2023 | 03:02 PM
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10.5 B cost to UAL ( many improvements not only pay rates)
4 years CBA

18/ 5/5/5%
2023/24/25/26
retro
14/5/5/18%
2019/20/21/22 and partial of 2023
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Old 02-07-2023 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BirdOn
The thing I hate most with our pbs system is that you can only Award Pairings with a single layover per line. So if you see an awesome 3 day trip with layovers in A and B that you really want, you have to either preference laying over in A over B or B over A. The system will then award you a trip with Layover A and then EWR, instead of layover B that you wanted. My only recourse is going through the bid packets, finding the individual trip numbers, and then awarding that specific pairing before any of my preferences in PBS. So then I have like 20-30 lines of individuals trips I want. OH and then on the 10th they update all the trips in the packet and you have to go through ALL OF THEM to make sure the company didn't change a pairing number.

Navblue was the best.
Or you could just request that pairing directly with an award statement of Award D3427 High High?
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