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Originally Posted by johnwick (Post 3573346)

I wasn’t arguing the point of prorated PS. I was simply inferring that a person new on property shouldn’t be b*****ing about not getting PS when he/she should be glad they won the lottery. And I don’t even get the “bruised ego” comment. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Well I'm glad I don't work at United. Your culture sounds like crap.

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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 3574181)

Well I'm glad I don't work at United. Your culture sounds like crap.

I think you’ll find that for any airline here on APC. My time at UAL has been great so far. Lots of wonderful people and great Captains I’m flying with.

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Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 3573599)

Therein lies one of the problems.
He/she DID NOT “help contribute to 363 days of United Finance’s ”. The pilot started to contribute to our bottom line when, and only when - they were turning a wheel and making money for the company. And they were not alone. As someone who did 2 full training courses this past year, I too did not create revenue for the company during that time. Difference is, I (and everyone here for the full year of 2022) will be eligible for (what little there is of) Profit Sharing. It is what has been negotiated and agreed upon.

This subject comes up every single year around this time.
Do I agree with it 100%, no.
But where do YOU want to draw the line.
Should your example get a pro rated amount? Maybe.
should the pilot who retired on Dec 29, 2022 get a pro rated amount? More than maybe.

Are YOU going to accept a smaller amount in your PS so others get something?

Not a slam here, but I would encourage you to present a resolution at your next local council meeting suggesting just that.
If the company is going to give the pilot group x amount of money, then see about changing the way it’s divided amongst this pilot group.

Motch

PS) Proud to be an “old guard” but my meaning is probably different that yours. Just remember, in about 20 years most of the legacy pilots will be gone. And IF there is a merger between now and then (very likely) just remember your views today when someone younger and of a different group calls you out, and “resents” you,

Respectfully, based on the logic of some, those who go on maternity leave should not be eligible, nor should those who are on a LOA, or those who enter training. Because these people are not available for flying the entire year, they should be ineligible for profit sharing. What if you bid reserve the entire year because you live in base and only want to work enough to keep current? One could argue that those individuals contribute less than others. You want my solution? If you were on property, you are eligible. But in the end, nothing will change, ALPA will protect those who are senior and use the mentality of "paying your dues" because those before you had to do it too. Soon there will be a recognition that recycling the people and policies of the past will no longer be tolerated. The youth is taking over the legacy airlines and they will soon have the voting power to affect meaningful change.

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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3574267)

The lack of paid work is already accounted for. PS is based on your eligible earnings. If you didn’t work, like on a LOA or have exlcluded earnings like maternity leave, you’re not getting paid for those times.

“[size=12pt]Only regular pay (while not on leave) and pay received from your sick or vacation bank will be considered when calculating profit sharing.[/size]For employees on a medical leave, profit sharing will be paid on eligible earnings received while an active employee and while using sick time.”

The only consternation should be with new hires. Everyone else is getting paid (or not) for their actual work.

United Airlines expects to quadruple profit in 2023

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...it-2023-01-17/

Wow. I wonder if SK could see this motoring down the pike when he tried to get us to sign off on the TUMI TA...

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Originally Posted by UALFlyer (Post 3574311)

You mean when “our” union tried to get us to sign off on the TUMI TA?

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Originally Posted by UALFlyer (Post 3574311)

Technically Kirby didn’t try to get us to do anything. It was our union that was selling a garbage agreement. Kirby was just going let us vote in a bad deal and laugh all the way to the bank.

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Originally Posted by JayAitch (Post 3573693)

Okay, how about profit sharing be handled by number of days worked in the year. Regardless of years served.

I'm not a fan of pilots not voting until off probation, nor of them not getting profit sharing or any of the other rewards of working for this company. The gate they had to pass was getting hired and trained here. After that they're our peers. Full stop.

As someone who's been in this industry for several decades and seen far too much old guard rhetoric, I will say all it does it diminish new hires respect of us. And well deserved at that.

Fix reserve rules for those that come after us and for those below us in seniority. Fix voting rights, and fix profit sharing. Let's make this the place people want to work by showing everyone who comes that we value them as equals.

Here here!

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Originally Posted by UALFlyer (Post 3574311)

Of course he did.. remember just a couple months before the AIP the union said they were "still far apart with the company" ...

Then all of a sudden.. the company wanted a deal done asap- the Tumi TA, which "we better take with a recession around the corner." I am convinced they saw the bookings and the writing on the wall that they would be printing money and wanted to get us cheap and early.

Good leads the way

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Originally Posted by UALFlyer (Post 3574311)

100% he did. MEC failed us. Especially the guy who was in charge. Wonder what was in it for him… 🤔