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02-26-2023 | 10:11 AM
#42
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Pandemic LOA: 5% raise.
Minimum 5% more (after snap ups) than Delta or it's a no vote for me. Anything less you're selling yourself short. That's why Scott offered it earlier. So the 5% gets lost in the shuffle.
Also must have a clause that defines a minimum of two United pilots in the cockpit.
Must haves, don't sell yourself or the profession short! I won't get into the rest of the things because that crosses into negotiations in public.
Minimum 5% more (after snap ups) than Delta or it's a no vote for me. Anything less you're selling yourself short. That's why Scott offered it earlier. So the 5% gets lost in the shuffle.
Also must have a clause that defines a minimum of two United pilots in the cockpit.
Must haves, don't sell yourself or the profession short! I won't get into the rest of the things because that crosses into negotiations in public.
02-26-2023 | 10:22 AM
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Agree. Get this now while it’s “far off” and “free”, because it will eventually cost more than it’s worth. I’m not saying management will ever actually go to single pilot cockpit, but they will definitely use it to threaten and cajole.
02-26-2023 | 10:42 AM
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02-26-2023 | 02:20 PM
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And yes, Pandemic LOA 5% must go beyond that number.
02-26-2023 | 06:58 PM
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That’s why inflation is probably a better metric than the Delta rates for judging the value of a potential offer. Our currently applied 5% can lead to confusion when comparing the end rates to Delta’s, but the percentage offer is really easy to evaluate against inflation. Either DOS increase exceeds inflation since 2019 or it does not.
And yes, Pandemic LOA 5% must go beyond that number.
And yes, Pandemic LOA 5% must go beyond that number.
delta plus 6% is going to be the rates
But work rules is the major gain for us to get ! Are we going to get it ? We shall see
mark my words
02-26-2023 | 07:32 PM
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02-27-2023 | 03:32 AM
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Source?
I specifically remember back in 2018-2019 the union saying this would not be a “pay” agreement and was instead aimed at retirement and QOL. Remember, when the opener was put on the table, inflation was just a glimmer in Lunch bucket Joe’s eye.
A pandemic, subsequent inflation, and a dramatic shift in demographics caused the negotiating priorities to shift to pay first, with QOL a close second.
The size of the retirement ask went the way of the dodo bird when 3-4K pilots took the VEOP or otherwise retired between 2018 and 2022. Not to mention how devastating the Tumi TA and failed “AIP” at APA were to the prospect of retirement gains at Delta in the context of pattern bargaining, under the auspice of the NMB.
I specifically remember back in 2018-2019 the union saying this would not be a “pay” agreement and was instead aimed at retirement and QOL. Remember, when the opener was put on the table, inflation was just a glimmer in Lunch bucket Joe’s eye.
A pandemic, subsequent inflation, and a dramatic shift in demographics caused the negotiating priorities to shift to pay first, with QOL a close second.
The size of the retirement ask went the way of the dodo bird when 3-4K pilots took the VEOP or otherwise retired between 2018 and 2022. Not to mention how devastating the Tumi TA and failed “AIP” at APA were to the prospect of retirement gains at Delta in the context of pattern bargaining, under the auspice of the NMB.
02-27-2023 | 04:06 AM
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I specifically remember back in 2018-2019 the union saying this would not be a “pay” agreement and was instead aimed at retirement and QOL. Remember, when the opener was put on the table, inflation was just a glimmer in Lunch bucket Joe’s eye.
A pandemic, subsequent inflation, and a dramatic shift in demographics caused the negotiating priorities to shift to pay first, with QOL a close second.
The size of the retirement ask went the way of the dodo bird when 3-4K pilots took the VEOP or otherwise retired between 2018 and 2022. Not to mention how devastating the Tumi TA and failed “AIP” at APA were to the prospect of retirement gains at Delta in the context of pattern bargaining, under the auspice of the NMB.
I specifically remember back in 2018-2019 the union saying this would not be a “pay” agreement and was instead aimed at retirement and QOL. Remember, when the opener was put on the table, inflation was just a glimmer in Lunch bucket Joe’s eye.
A pandemic, subsequent inflation, and a dramatic shift in demographics caused the negotiating priorities to shift to pay first, with QOL a close second.
The size of the retirement ask went the way of the dodo bird when 3-4K pilots took the VEOP or otherwise retired between 2018 and 2022. Not to mention how devastating the Tumi TA and failed “AIP” at APA were to the prospect of retirement gains at Delta in the context of pattern bargaining, under the auspice of the NMB.
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