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Originally Posted by horrido27 (Post 3601593)

Well, just like there is a need to rehash the DYK's, to mention certain items with regards to PBS bidding, Vacation bidding, Vacancy Bidding, etc..
We have thousands of New Hires and thousands of pilots changing BES (Base, Equipment, Seat) so I do not see anything wrong with stating what I have stated for over 25years.

Do you think that any of the pilots/crews that have been involved with the rash of runway incursions are unsafe? or did they let their guard down and it bit them in the ass due to a connection of errors?
Stating something as simple as "Fly Safe" might just make a handful of pilots slow the F down and put Safety where it's suppose to be- #1.

Professionalism- We can argue day and night about calling in sick when you just don't feel right, or answering the phone when you are not required to.
If a pilot answers the phone on a rest, is he/she being professional? If she/he now doesn't get adequate rest and still FFD- is he/she Professional? Are they Safe?

Our ALPA Code of Ethics demands what we Act a certain way. I see nothing wrong with reiterating that.
You asked if some of our pilots were not flying S, P & tC.
Let me put one thing out there-

We fly from EWR to Hawaii. 3 Pilot (ETOPS) and 1:30 show.
We also flew EWR>SFO>Hawaii. Now it was a 2 Pilot crew and :45 show.
Some Captains (when in SFO) would take an earlier bus, and rush to get out on time. Other Captains would do the opposite. Same van time and no rush to get out on time as there were more items to check out before going feet wet. If they got out on time, cool. If not, oh well. (and we were usually talking 10ish mins?)
Both Captains thought they were Professional, Safe and Flew the Contract.
However, you and I and every other pilot reading this is allowed their opinion with regards to which Captain they would be.

I will NEVER advocate a work action, I will never tolerate it if I see it. I am a Professional, and I feel most of our fellow union pilots are too. But- not all of them~

Always
Motch

all great stuff, but it seems a bit irrelevant in a thread about negotiations progress

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Originally Posted by DwightSchrute (Post 3601587)

Because of the anonymous nature of this forum, I would fully expect a management member (or misguided sympathizer) to break this very rule and take a screenshot of their own post in order to get their dream TRO. If negotiations were further protracted and ugly, why wouldn’t they? How would APC possibly prevent this? It’s a slam dunk. What a liability. Such a messed-up system.

Because they would subpoena APC to reveal your identity or IP like they did with the Delta lawsuit. This false flag operation you imagined would not work.

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Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3601287)

Expectations of having a TA prior to April/Easter…

April/Easter 2024 would be a lot more realistic

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Originally Posted by Wink (Post 3601761)

Because they would subpoena APC to reveal your identity or IP like they did with the Delta lawsuit. This false flag operation you imagined would not work.

It’s pretty easy to work around that with a VPN as well as registering your account on a Starbucks Wi-Fi? It would likely take someone posting about a violent felony for the authorities to want to take the time to track you down.

A fake email address and VPN don't hide your MAC address and that's what I'd be concerned about. If you've ever connected to a United WiFi network with the same device that you access APC and done so without a VPN, guess what? They have your MAC address.

With server logs it's easy to tie a forum username to a device. Most of the tools are automated, so given a server log, it would be like running a "Find" search in Word. It's not rocket science, for a motivated party - like a well funded legal department - your identity is on this forum is discoverable. The "authorities" I'd be concerned with are not law enforcement, but a judge who signed a subpoena compelling Internet Brands (the parent company of APC) to furnish user data.

Based on the recent message from the union that "they don't need helper pilots" conducting wildcat actions coupled with the reality that your identity is discoverable, being deliberate with your posts is probably a good thing.

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Originally Posted by awax (Post 3602450)

Not that it matters but most newish android devices automatically randomize your MAC address every time you connect to any wifi connection. That would make it nearly impossible for anyone to look at forum data and know who's android device it came from. Especially using a VPN as well.

Advocating a slowdown is a very poor idea. It’s illegal & will land you in a great deal of personal distress & accomplish nothing of substance on a large scale. What I don’t know if the company realizes, though, is that organic loss of enthusiasm is way more destructive than an intentional slowdown. An organized action can be turned off & on like a light switch. (Contract signed, everything goes back to normal immediately.) Employee morale? Once that’s gone, it’s gone.

Workplace enthusiasm is like a speed/drag power curve. Once you get on the backside of it, it becomes exponentially difficult to get it back. Scott would not be the first airline manager to lose the confidence of his pilots then lazily conclude that they’re just insatiable money grabbers when modest attempts to buy it back fail. We’ve all seen this movie before.

For the last couple years, all I’ve heard from this airline is how powerful & meaningful are personal touches from the pilots. Which, honestly, great- let’s be the customer service airline. But there’s nothing new or creative about wanting “Give A *******“ employees under DGAS conditions. Telling us for months that you’re planning to give us an industry leading contract in 2 weeks then finally making a mediocre offer & suggesting we’re not being reasonable is a major flub up. I think the “we are not close” statement was the beginning of a rapid drop in general enthusiasm, & honestly, I worry about where we end up as an airline if he hasn’t cleaned this up by the summer. A contract today would continue United’s meteoric momentum. A contract in a few months could just be a more expensive way to have p1$$ed off pilots.

No retro-pay no work improvements or Delta pay+ will be No Vote

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Originally Posted by Finessed (Post 3601025)

But, but, but, but look at all our aircraft orders! Scotty says we’re the bestest airline ever! So much pilot hiring!! Fast upgrades!!! (because your reserve rules are trash) United next!!!!

Some of you boys are the definition of SUCKERS. Keep wearing those proud United lanyards while Scotty finesses your pilot group daily.

Dont forget SK’s pathetic attempt to remind everyone that United is the “flag” carrier any chance he gets on social media. The US doesn’t have a true flag carrier.

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Originally Posted by Earthboundmsfit;[url=tel:3602434

3602434[/url]]It’s pretty easy to work around that with a VPN as well as registering your account on a Starbucks Wi-Fi? It would likely take someone posting about a violent felony for the authorities to want to take the time to track you down.

Ya it’s not the “authorities” that track you down. It is company paid goons. There are literally Hundreds of Millions of dollars at stake. They will aggressively come at you, they love to take hostages. Then we get to pay for you with negotiating capital.