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Old 08-07-2023 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by yesto67
everyone gets frozen for two years. everyone gets a choice whether they wish to work until 67.

stop the whining over “fairness”

what is NOT a choice is furlough, bankruptcy, second furlough
Whining? All I've heard is crying about how hard your careers have been and why you need 2 extra years.

Nah. We all signed up for this job and understood the system. Now yall want to change the rules at the end of the line?

Hard pass.
Old 08-07-2023 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ReluctantEskimo
Whining? All I've heard is crying about how hard your careers have been and why you need 2 extra years.

Nah. We all signed up for this job and understood the system. Now yall want to change the rules at the end of the line?

Hard pass.

got it. You’re promising to retire at 65.
Old 08-07-2023 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by yesto67
got it. You’re promising to retire at 65.
I'll be at the gate for your send off at 65 as well
Old 08-07-2023 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Sniper66
it will change to 67 the day after you retire
it will be so awesome
I can only hope
Schadenfreude.

Get out of my way, old man. I want your job..

What do you want to be, when you grow up?
Old 08-07-2023 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Schadenfreude.

Get out of my way, old man. I want your job..

What do you want to be, when you grow up?
Stop whining about fairness
Old 08-07-2023 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ReluctantEskimo
I'll be at the gate for your send off at 65 as well
You might miss me then. Currently looking at 64 to retire. If Congress/FAA change the mandatory retirement age to 67 (again, not a MUST WORK UNTIL 67), I might continue to 66. Or maybe 65. Or maybe 67. It will be MY choice. Choices are nice.
Old 08-07-2023 | 02:54 PM
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Sure choices are nice but stop with the false equivalency. Everyone freezes for two years. Those at the top of the pay scale get two more of the best paying years available. Those not there get frozen in position and their progression waits on the retirement of those above. Those not yet on property wait two years for the chance at what's left of a career.

The people advocating for 67 are about to be incredibly unpopular on the flight deck. But they don't care. This has always been about them and only them.
Old 08-07-2023 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by yesto67
So bitter. I can sense the hate in you growing. I bet you’re a joy in the cockpit. Are you triggered much? Need some emotional space?

Age 67 is going to happen, or, it will not. You and I (and ALPA) have zero influence on the process.

Relax. Enjoy your career. Fly safe.


I feel sorry for you that you have no life outside the cockpit
so sad
You must be a joy to fly with I bet
NB for me no worries and most all I fly with say hell no to 67
and we have fun as a team and a life outside the cockpit
Old 08-07-2023 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JayAitch
Sure choices are nice but stop with the false equivalency. Everyone freezes for two years. Those at the top of the pay scale get two more of the best paying years available. Those not there get frozen in position and their progression waits on the retirement of those above. Those not yet on property wait two years for the chance at what's left of a career.

The people advocating for 67 are about to be incredibly unpopular on the flight deck. But they don't care. This has always been about them and only them.

where is the “freeze point” in your argument - or asked differently, at what age do people get shafted?

clearly folks who turn 65 the day after this became law would get an extra two years at the top.

but how about a guy at 64? Frozen in place for two years! He/she would have to “suck it up” for two more years to enjoy that top seniority. Maybe not that much of a hardship you might say.

how about the 60 year old frozen in place and deprived? Is that hardship?

50 year old?

just an interesting exercise to think through at what point people feel deprived. And by how much.
Old 08-07-2023 | 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ReluctantEskimo
Stop whining about fairness
I said nothing of fairness. Don't put words in my mouth. I speak very well for myself.

Speak for yourself, if you think yourself capable.
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