Clearly you don’t understand what happened last time. You might read up on what ICAO had just done with age 65 and the FAA agreeing to allow foreign pilots to fly to 65 in the US. There were 3 lawsuits over age 60 in the court system at the time. With the FAA agreeing it was now safe for pilots to fly in the US to 65 those court cases were now stone cold losers.
ALPA could have continued to oppose 65 and have a judge rule which best case would have been 65 or worst case no age limit and retired pilots allowed back. Instead they did the smart thing and worked with Congress and the FAA to craft legislation allowing 65 with no retired returns preempting the court cases. Sometimes you need to be smart and not push a 100% lost cause.

 

Definition: to prevent other people from enjoying the opportunities or advantages you enjoyed. Never mind all those that took the covid early out and got out of you way. When you get to 60, will you retire or continue to 65…67? (so stop the drama show)
Sonny, we were young once and lived thru age 60 to 65 and the world didn’t end, we just got to be senior FOs with better QOL than junior CAs..
birthdays and holidays off and with a few trip trades, as a WB FO seeing the world, almost the same pay as a junior guppy CA seeing Buffalo again.
So how many CA slots go unfilled every bid? Why?

 

Ya, I don’t need to read up on it. I lived it. I am not commenting on if it should have passed or not last time. Clearly you need to settle down and read. The topic that I commented on was polling. The polling last time was a joke. Leadership had made up their minds to support it, maybe for the reasons you stated, and put out a ridiculous poll.

 

Honest question if this comes to fruition. Will the wide body guys have to bid domestic since icao is 65?
i believe this is why the Airlines don’t want 67 because of scheduling nite mares. Last time with 65 the over 60
guys were able to fly international because it was 65, but I would imagine 67 that won’t be able to happen?

 

would most likely not come to fruition unless ICAO was already on board with it.

 

The poll was a year or two prior to ICAO going to 65.

 

All these world organizations like the W.H.O. , CDC, ICAO etc. will make whatever happen necessary to meet the agenda they want to push. If they want 67 or 69 it will happen .

 

The people driving this are not concerned with legacy service LAX - NRT. They are concerned with domestic commuter service to SBN, PIH, RKS, ITH, etc

Yes it would be a poop-show for legacies, but only to the extent that a lot of WB pilots would bid down and retrain to take a pay cut to fly domestic for two years (less than that after training). Bigger issue would probably be LRD.

But there are people in congress who think that labor structure is the airline's problem.

The old pilots at the regionals and lower-tier freight operators who are really feeling the pain would probably like to work to age 67 for the most part... they don't have the income and LTD that we do.

All that said, it would be much smoother if ICAO was 67 (or higher).

 

The big thing for me is what happens if the 66 year olds junior to me can’t hold domestic NB flying? Will they get to abrogate seniority? How will reserve work? They get to sit at home when a NRT trip has a sick call? As a WB they only work if a domestic trip has a sick call? I know there have been one-off exceptions for DUI enthusiasts to Canada and whatnot but that accounts for a significantly smaller number of people than 67 would.

everyone looking at this seems to be assuming that these are the most senior people and the real rub to me is when my company seniority gets abrogated by age “seniority.”

if ICAO raises the age I don’t have a huge issue with 67. If they don’t I have a massive issue with 66 year olds deciding the way we’ve done things for 100 years (company seniority) is now up for debate so they can have another 2 years of domestic flying.

IMO if this passes they should be able to fly and get paid for what their seniority holds and be ineligible for reserve. If they can’t hold a NB line and complete a domestic or 67 friendly schedule with their seniority they should only fly and get paid for what they can hold. Even under that sort of system there’s still issues with reassignments etc going to more senior pilots if the older pilots aren’t legal.

 

Age 65+ get put on continual Reserve until they hit 67. Then let's see how some of these older people feel about changing our reserve rules.