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horrido27 04-13-2023 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 3623493)
agreed. Maybe we should take the money and see what happens. I doubt that the “new” contract as it appears to still falling short on QOL issues will substantially motivate people to upgrade.

then SK has to come back and fix it with LOAs

Guess the Yes voters are starting to come out!
No LOA’s. Industry Leading Contract (which doesn’t JUST include Pay)! Now!
No Contract… No United Next.
United Next will become Mediation Next
Mr. Kirby will become a Failed CEO

Motch

ThumbsUp 04-13-2023 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 3623501)
**** that. I came from a class that's heading toward the end of probation, and there's only one willing to take a quick upgrade.


But there sure seems to be plenty of takers every 6 weeks that aren’t in your class.

jerryleber 04-13-2023 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 3623524)
But there sure seems to be plenty of takers every 6 weeks that aren’t in your class.

There were only 42 takers and over 100 unfilled CA slots including a widebody and 14 CA downgrades to WB FO in the bid that closed two days ago.

JackReacher 04-13-2023 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 3623493)
agreed. Maybe we should take the money and see what happens. I doubt that the “new” contract as it appears to still falling short on QOL issues will substantially motivate people to upgrade.

then SK has to come back and fix it with LOAs

Absolutely NOT!!

Giordano Bruno 04-13-2023 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3623387)
Delta did have one thing going for them that you don’t at United. A less than smart CEO who went on national TV saying the Delta pilots would never be allowed to strike. The mediator took great offense to that statement. She controlled that issue not EB and threatened a near immediate release to self help if Delta management did not put an offer on the table that could close things out in a week. I doubt SK is as stupid as EB.

you yet again fail to mention the impact of a 99% strike vote. That’s what led Bastian to panic and step on his schwantz on the network morning show. That vote also made the mediator’s threat of release, if any, all the more credible.

the rest of your interpretation is pure fiction. I caution anyone from taking what this guy says as factual.

FlewNavy 04-13-2023 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by Giordano Bruno (Post 3623580)
you yet again fail to mention the impact of a 99% strike vote. That’s what led Bastian to panic and step on his schwantz on the network morning show. That vote also made the mediator’s threat of release, if any, all the more credible.

‘Congress will never let us go on strike. A strike vote means nothing today other than a formality with no consequences.

ninerdriver 04-13-2023 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 3623524)
But there sure seems to be plenty of takers every 6 weeks that aren’t in your class.

They aren't new hires. Throw out the SUPs, and there are only 11 13XXX-seniority pilots who are upgrading.

Giordano Bruno 04-13-2023 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by FlewNavy (Post 3623585)
‘Congress will never let us go on strike. A strike vote means nothing today other than a formality with no consequences.

Congress not letting the railroads strike is a different order of magnitude from the economic impact of one airline striking.

True, customer book-always are prob more of a threat to mgmt in the short term after a strike vote. But the signal a successful strike vote sends to mgmt and the mediator is useful.

to say there are “no consequences” is simply not true. It is a leverage generator if done properly. You in management?

FlewNavy 04-13-2023 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by Giordano Bruno (Post 3623587)
You in management?

no…just a pessimist on all things related to this contract/ALPA/management/RLA/govt etc. Trust nobody with an agenda.

ThumbsUp 04-13-2023 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by jerryleber (Post 3623534)
There were only 42 takers and over 100 unfilled CA slots including a widebody and 14 CA downgrades to WB FO in the bid that closed two days ago.

Unfilleds is a magic number thought up by CR. It’s doesn’t necessarily mean that we are short of what they need. In the last few bids, we have been better than netting 1 new NB CA/day after retirements and bidding off fleets. If that’s not keeping up with what is needed, I’d be surprised.


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