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ThumbsUp 04-13-2023 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 3623586)
They aren't new hires. Throw out the SUPs, and there are only 11 13XXX-seniority pilots who are upgrading.

… in the last bid and that doesn’t mean that there won’t those that wouldn’t have done it if the location was what they wanted. As long as we keep attracting enough people of any seniority demographic to upgrade, upgrades aren’t a problem. Only crew resources really knows what that number is.

sailingfun 04-13-2023 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by Giordano Bruno (Post 3623580)
you yet again fail to mention the impact of a 99% strike vote. That’s what led Bastian to panic and step on his schwantz on the network morning show. That vote also made the mediator’s threat of release, if any, all the more credible.

the rest of your interpretation is pure fiction. I caution anyone from taking what this guy says as factual.

I have been in this industry 35 plus years. I have never seen a strike vote less than 98%. It’s the norm. It’s a free vote that means very little other than generating press news and a few book aways.

sailingfun 04-13-2023 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by Giordano Bruno (Post 3623580)
you yet again fail to mention the impact of a 99% strike vote. That’s what led Bastian to panic and step on his schwantz on the network morning show. That vote also made the mediator’s threat of release, if any, all the more credible.

the rest of your interpretation is pure fiction. I caution anyone from taking what this guy says as factual.

So if my post is fictional will you please have the union send me my full retro check! You know, that line we were going to defend to the last man!
If you also don’t believe the NMB drives things to an industry standard solution I have some great investment advice for you.

iahflyr 04-13-2023 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by Tesla S (Post 3623425)
If no one bid CA until we had am ILC we would be in great position, but FOMO is real and the pilots choosing to upgrade are providing enough CAs for the company to operate seamlessly,..

Here we go. Senior pilots are blaming the junior pilots… If only you wouldn’t upgrade…

Maybe you should downgrade if you really want to forge the issue. But someone I bet that will never happen.

To the junior pilots here, upgrade or not, it is 100% your decision and no one else. Do not let senior pilots bully you into thinking you are the problem.

Tesla S 04-13-2023 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 3623632)
Here we go. Senior pilots are blaming the junior pilots… If only you wouldn’t upgrade…

Maybe you should downgrade if you really want to forge the issue. But someone I bet that will never happen.

To the junior pilots here, upgrade or not, it is 100% your decision and no one else. Do not let senior pilots bully you into thinking you are the problem.


Assume much?? You know what that makes you, right?

People will do what’s best for their situation. I was simply pointing out that 140 unfilled CA positions out of approx 6100 Captains is not a concern to the Company.

As for me, I could have held CA for the last several years but choose not to. Partially due to the contract, and partially because I am doing well as a WB FO.

jerryleber 04-13-2023 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 3623596)
Unfilleds is a magic number thought up by CR. It’s doesn’t necessarily mean that we are short of what they need. In the last few bids, we have been better than netting 1 new NB CA/day after retirements and bidding off fleets. If that’s not keeping up with what is needed, I’d be surprised.

It means that very junior CAs are flying with new-hire FOs in 737s all around North America.

WaterRooster 04-13-2023 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by jerryleber (Post 3623645)
It means that very junior CAs are flying with new-hire FOs in 737s all around North America.

And?

filler….

Giordano Bruno 04-13-2023 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by FlewNavy (Post 3623592)
no…just a pessimist on all things related to this contract/ALPA/management/RLA/govt etc. Trust nobody with an agenda.

You do realize getting a good contract is an “agenda.”

Spesiellsporing 04-13-2023 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 3623493)
agreed. Maybe we should take the money and see what happens. I doubt that the “new” contract as it appears to still falling short on QOL issues will substantially motivate people to upgrade.

then SK has to come back and fix it with LOAs

That's what got us in this problem to begin with. Extensions and LOA's do not fix the problem but rather kick the can down the road. After an extended period of time of not fixing the glaring issues the tasks of repairing our contract becomes insurmountable. The company will bemoan that our ask is too great and insist we accept a lesser offer. Sound familiar?

RaginCajun 04-16-2023 05:24 PM

Expectation for Tuesday’s TownHall with SK? More canned c-suite answers of promised contract and ALPA blame? Probably.


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