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Race Bannon 04-18-2023 07:30 AM

I think fill the room in uniform, a la picket, and all stand with their backs turned would send a better message. That's my input for a union grass roots effort.

Airhoss 04-18-2023 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3625793)
Is there any precedent where advising against attending these types of meetings has been considered disruption of the status quo? I’m honestly wondering why the union isn’t making that admonition. It really kills our “Contract First United Next” ethos when we fill a room full of people wanting to hear about SK’s plans for the airline during stalled negotiations. If talk is cheap & our time is valuable, why are freely giving it up to listen to a corporate sales job?

It would be a disruption of status quo for me to attend electronically or in person. The only time I “attend” one of these dog and pony shows is when I’m forced to.

Guppydriver95 04-18-2023 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3625793)
Is there any precedent where advising against attending these types of meetings has been considered disruption of the status quo? I’m honestly wondering why the union isn’t making that admonition. It really kills our “Contract First United Next” ethos when we fill a room full of people wanting to hear about SK’s plans for the airline during stalled negotiations. If talk is cheap & our time is valuable, why are freely giving it up to listen to a corporate sales job?

Handing out biz cards, making rambling PA’s in the first class cabin or at the gate, or various other PPD nonsense as well as attendance at these CPO propaganda meetings has ZERO impact on status quo wrt negotiations. The only thing analyzed in that context are things that could financially harm the company. All this “fluff” is a barometer the company uses to gauge our level of buy in to Kirby’s crap. Doing these things sends a clear message, as does NOT doing them.

Chowdah 04-18-2023 09:20 AM

Changing behavior towards passengers is toxic.

IF and I repeat IF I was to *feel* less inclined to go above and beyond…

IF…

I think I simply hold most of my flights extra five minutes to make sure everyone have a chance to get on board, and then fly fast to make up the difference.

D00 suffers, A14 remains intact. Caring is the first tenant of our corporate culture after all

Guppydriver95 04-18-2023 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by Chowdah (Post 3625871)
Changing behavior towards passengers is toxic.

IF and I repeat IF I was to *feel* less inclined to go above and beyond…

IF…

I think I simply hold most of my flights extra five minutes to make sure everyone have a chance to get on board, and then fly fast to make up the difference.

D00 suffers, A14 remains intact. Caring is the first tenant of our corporate culture after all

Im not talking about toxic. I’m talking about not dancing like a circus chimp as Kirby would have us do. Be polite to all you come into contact with, but save the PPD BS for now. There’s a huge gulf between toxic and all the extras we’re asked to do.

Chowdah 04-18-2023 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 3625876)
Im not talking about toxic. I’m talking about not dancing like a circus chimp as Kirby would have us do. Be polite to all you come into contact with, but save the PPD BS for now. There’s a huge gulf between toxic and all the extras we’re asked to do.

Honestly, I would encourage people to only ever do what they feel comfortable with, even in the best of times. If it’s not sincere, I think most passengers can sense that. I personally like looking out for my passengers… It gives me more of a sense of purpose coming to work. Management come and go, but the people who pay my bills often remain the same for decades and I hope to show thanks that they are the reason I get to make good money flying airplanes

ReadOnly7 04-18-2023 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by Chowdah (Post 3625871)
Caring is the first tenant of our corporate culture after all

Caring is second, actually….and it’s “tenet”

Mitch Rapp 04-19-2023 07:16 AM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3625316)
Agreed, the company can't afford to wait any more than we can imo. But it sure does sound scary 🥴😒

I wish this were true…I honestly don’t know if it is. Serious question, But why can’t the company afford to wait? Kirby the Cross Dressing Weasel has nothing to lose. Why add an enormous cost to your bottom line unless you have no choice?

I really don’t think Kirby (the Cross Dressing Weasel) cares about pilot morale, etc. All he cares about is the bottom line and right now he/she/they is winning.

Chuck D 04-19-2023 08:06 AM

Mitch… seriously, grow up.

PipeMan 04-19-2023 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp (Post 3626361)
I wish this were true…I honestly don’t know if it is. Serious question, But why can’t the company afford to wait? Kirby the Cross Dressing Weasel has nothing to lose. Why add an enormous cost to your bottom line unless you have no choice?

I really don’t think Kirby (the Cross Dressing Weasel) cares about pilot morale, etc. All he cares about is the bottom line and right now he/she/they is winning.

Mitch, listen to Chuck D. There is no need for the name calling. You must stay strong to fight the good fight. This type of childish behavior is what they want to see.

Like Saddam Hussein once said, "only the resolute people shall be victorious."


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