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dang 05-09-2023 09:41 AM

Thanks. I guess there’s more factors at work than I know about. As someone who hasn’t started indoc yet it just seemed logical that with the most junior seniority number in Denver being on the Airbus, that would be the quicker path to Denver. I guess past results don’t guarantee future returns.

BlueScholar 05-09-2023 09:44 AM


Originally Posted by dang (Post 3634458)
Back to the vacancy. I may be wrong, but isn’t the most junior pilot based in Denver on the 320? that, along with the additional vacancies for Airbus Den, Why wouldn’t 320 be the fastest path to Denver? I understand that seniority progression would be quicker on the 737.

Nobody knows for sure. But the DEN73FO has ~290 spots, DEN320FO has ~220. There is 70 more 73FO's who could switch bases or seats to give you a spot in Denver. There are more 73 orders on the books, and they're being delivered every 2-3 days while the 320's are getting pushed further and further back. The better bet is the 73. Even if you chose wrong, you're looking at maybe a 2-3 month difference? That isn't ideal but it's not exactly catastrophic.

Brickfire 05-09-2023 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by dang (Post 3634497)
Thanks. I guess there’s more factors at work than I know about. As someone who hasn’t started indoc yet it just seemed logical that with the most junior seniority number in Denver being on the Airbus, that would be the quicker path to Denver. I guess past results don’t guarantee future returns.

It’s more that what you’re seeing really isn’t a result.

One month the company may offer 320 slots but not 737, so the 320 goes “junior”.

Movement at the very bottom really just isn’t predictable month to month. That’s mostly a good thing because it’s FAST.

Swakid8 05-09-2023 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by BlueScholar (Post 3634499)
Nobody knows for sure. But the DEN73FO has ~290 spots, DEN320FO has ~220. There is 70 more 73FO's who could switch bases or seats to give you a spot in Denver. There are more 73 orders on the books, and they're being delivered every 2-3 days while the 320's are getting pushed further and further back. The better bet is the 73. Even if you chose wrong, you're looking at maybe a 2-3 month difference? That isn't ideal but it's not exactly catastrophic.

On top of that, once the NEOs arrive expect the east coast bus bases to grow first vs DEN..

coryk 05-09-2023 11:34 PM

Any movement in LAX? 737/320?

jalco4 05-10-2023 08:33 AM

I start class next month as well with the goal of DEN. I would imagine the 737 is the path to faster seniority progression because of deliveries (growth). However, as a younger dude, and looking at the recent drops, it seems that 320 SFO/EWR might be what I get if I can avoid the 777.

Two thoughts:

1. Looking at the pairings 737 vs. 320, it seems like the 320 has more legs per day (which I don’t mind) but more importantly almost 0 redeyes. The 737 seems like it has more redeyes especially on the west coast, and to some extent DEN. So on that metric the 320 really appeals to me, however;

2. Due to no immediate deliveries, the 320 category seems stagnant and as 321 NEO deliveries arrive I imagine the flying will improve and more senior pilots will bid in, further increasing stagnation for middle seniority pilots.

CRJJ 05-10-2023 08:56 AM

Can someone share that website where you can see the pairings? I saw it a few months ago and can’t seem to find it anymore.

BlueScholar 05-10-2023 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by CRJJ (Post 3634861)
Can someone share that website where you can see the pairings? I saw it a few months ago and can’t seem to find it anymore.

CCS-Bidding-Bid packages

ThumbsUp 05-10-2023 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by CRJJ (Post 3634861)
Can someone share that website where you can see the pairings? I saw it a few months ago and can’t seem to find it anymore.


I think you’re referring to maxgumby.com. I’ve always been curious why that site exists. Never used it.

Race Bannon 05-10-2023 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 3634890)
I think you’re referring to maxgumby.com. I’ve always been curious why that site exists. Never used it.

Guys that have CJO's can look at the pairings for different BES so they have some idea of what they might be getting into for their initial class bid. Especially since they can't look at CCS. Got a pretty good sort feature too to see destinations. Doesn't work for me with Google Chrome but works fine with Firefox and Edge.


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