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Not super likely imo. Maybe TPA if they open the codomicile. There’s like 1 bus for every 3 737’s and large chunk of the 321 and neos are
replacement aircraft for some very old 320’s. The odds aren’t great for an outstation base but there’s always a chance they could shift flying around and concentrate Airbus flying in one of those bases.
replacement aircraft for some very old 320’s. The odds aren’t great for an outstation base but there’s always a chance they could shift flying around and concentrate Airbus flying in one of those bases.
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Not super likely imo. Maybe TPA if they open the codomicile. There’s like 1 bus for every 3 737’s and large chunk of the 321 and neos are
replacement aircraft for some very old 320’s. The odds aren’t great for an outstation base but there’s always a chance they could shift flying around and concentrate Airbus flying in one of those bases.
replacement aircraft for some very old 320’s. The odds aren’t great for an outstation base but there’s always a chance they could shift flying around and concentrate Airbus flying in one of those bases.
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I don’t think it’s likely but with the shrinking of the 320/319 fleet and subsequent move towards more transcons using the NEOs/XLRs and less RJ style flying using the 319’s/320’s I wouldn’t be surprised to see some shifting in flying allocation that could result in some closed/opened bases.
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Once we get enough 321LRs on property I’d expect LAX and/or SFO 756 to close as they start to retire frames and consolidate 756 flying further east. So even though LAX 320 is pretty small now and some frames are retiring it will probably grow somewhat as it assumes the 757 transcon/HI role. So, anyone thinking of bidding west coast 320 would be wise to check out the LAX/SFO 756 bid packages. LAS or MCO Bus seems really unlikely to me until maybe the tail end of 321 deliveries, too much near future Bus flying is going to be just like current 756 flying.
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Once we get enough 321LRs on property I’d expect LAX and/or SFO 756 to close as they start to retire frames and consolidate 756 flying further east. So even though LAX 320 is pretty small now and some frames are retiring it will probably grow somewhat as it assumes the 757 transcon/HI role. So, anyone thinking of bidding west coast 320 would be wise to check out the LAX/SFO 756 bid packages. LAS or MCO Bus seems really unlikely to me until maybe the tail end of 321 deliveries, too much near future Bus flying is going to be just like current 756 flying.
The NEOs are still being planned out, but those would be transcon/HI. Right now, LAX 757 does very little HI flying, so no impact there. The 757 will shift a lot more to hub to hub flying which has already begun. The 757 fleet will be here until 2030 minimum. Only the really old ones will go. LAX and SFO 757 bases are going nowhere for a long time.
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Not sure where you are getting your info from. First of all the 321LRs aren't getting here for a few more years (2028) and when they do, they will only be concentrated out of EWR first, then the other east coast bases like IAD then ORD to replace old 757s for transatlantic flights.
The NEOs are still being planned out, but those would be transcon/HI. Right now, LAX 757 does very little HI flying, so no impact there. The 757 will shift a lot more to hub to hub flying which has already begun. The 757 fleet will be here until 2030 minimum. Only the really old ones will go. LAX and SFO 757 bases are going nowhere for a long time.
The NEOs are still being planned out, but those would be transcon/HI. Right now, LAX 757 does very little HI flying, so no impact there. The 757 will shift a lot more to hub to hub flying which has already begun. The 757 fleet will be here until 2030 minimum. Only the really old ones will go. LAX and SFO 757 bases are going nowhere for a long time.
IMO, based on everything management and analysts are saying, I think barring some kind of catastrophic downturn again the 757-200’s will get phased out in 2026, the -300’s will be moved to where most of the 767 flying is (IAH, IAD, EWR) until the 76 phases out in 2030 or so. I don’t think a 20 aircraft fleet can support bases in SFO and LAX.
I really like the 756 fleet and im sad to see it go but I just don’t see a long term market for it when only the smallest niche isn’t filled by existing fleet types. Hopefully it’s an easy transition for the crews when the time comes without much of a QOL hit.
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I think that’s particularly optimistic. Kirby has stated the -200’s will get phased out in 2026 replaced by the max 10’s and neos. There are only 20 300’s. At some point the economics of an extra 20 seats don’t outweigh the cost of keeping a fleet that small around. The 76 can be swapped with a 78-8 for about the same operating cost, the 78 announcement hinted at retiring the 76 around 2030, which indicates what CLazarus said about moving the remaining flying east, and the XLRs can do some of the lower capacity long thin routes.
IMO, based on everything management and analysts are saying, I think barring some kind of catastrophic downturn again the 757-200’s will get phased out in 2026, the -300’s will be moved to where most of the 767 flying is (IAH, IAD, EWR) until the 76 phases out in 2030 or so. I don’t think a 20 aircraft fleet can support bases in SFO and LAX.
I really like the 756 fleet and im sad to see it go but I just don’t see a long term market for it when only the smallest niche isn’t filled by existing fleet types. Hopefully it’s an easy transition for the crews when the time comes without much of a QOL hit.
IMO, based on everything management and analysts are saying, I think barring some kind of catastrophic downturn again the 757-200’s will get phased out in 2026, the -300’s will be moved to where most of the 767 flying is (IAH, IAD, EWR) until the 76 phases out in 2030 or so. I don’t think a 20 aircraft fleet can support bases in SFO and LAX.
I really like the 756 fleet and im sad to see it go but I just don’t see a long term market for it when only the smallest niche isn’t filled by existing fleet types. Hopefully it’s an easy transition for the crews when the time comes without much of a QOL hit.
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Not sure where you are getting your info from. First of all the 321LRs aren't getting here for a few more years (2028) and when they do, they will only be concentrated out of EWR first, then the other east coast bases like IAD then ORD to replace old 757s for transatlantic flights.
The NEOs are still being planned out, but those would be transcon/HI. Right now, LAX 757 does very little HI flying, so no impact there. The 757 will shift a lot more to hub to hub flying which has already begun. The 757 fleet will be here until 2030 minimum. Only the really old ones will go. LAX and SFO 757 bases are going nowhere for a long time.
The NEOs are still being planned out, but those would be transcon/HI. Right now, LAX 757 does very little HI flying, so no impact there. The 757 will shift a lot more to hub to hub flying which has already begun. The 757 fleet will be here until 2030 minimum. Only the really old ones will go. LAX and SFO 757 bases are going nowhere for a long time.
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