767 Hard Landing IAH ???
08-29-2023, 01:27 AM
#353
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Originally Posted by Nucflash
Frank Borman did 10 laps around the moon, but running Eastern was a little much for him…..
08-29-2023, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Spartacusbob
To be fair to Frank, the guy was doing all right up until the point deregulation happened and the business model his entire airline, and most others, was built around totally changed. Contract negotiations in good faith with the machinists union were opportunized by the union leader who happily bankrupted Eastern so his folks could get 2 years of great pay followed by unemployment. I’d put Eastern’s failure less to Frank Borman’s management and more to a calcified and immovable business model, unethical and possibly immoral behavior from de-regulators and machinist union. I dunno, just some considerations.
You know Frank left Eastern in 86 once he sold to Frank Lorenzo…. Eastern shut down in 91…. I would call IAM negotiating with bad faith in a time when management only solutions at that time period was to keep coming back to labor for concession after concession. It only got worst for Eastern during Frank Lorenzo tenure as he gave zero funks about anything or anyone unless you helped lined this pockets…
08-29-2023, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by ugleeual
another forum saying 11M to fix and getting completed by Boeing in a months time.
it would be great if it could be fixed, I always hear that they are money making machines for the company.
08-29-2023, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Spartacusbob
To be fair to Frank, the guy was doing all right up until the point deregulation happened and the business model his entire airline, and most others, was built around totally changed. Contract negotiations in good faith with the machinists union were opportunized by the union leader who happily bankrupted Eastern so his folks could get 2 years of great pay followed by unemployment. I’d put Eastern’s failure less to Frank Borman’s management and more to a calcified and immovable business model, unethical and possibly immoral behavior from de-regulators and machinist union. I dunno, just some considerations.
08-29-2023, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by dingdong
ok let’s get back to the broken 767…
it would be great if it could be fixed, I always hear that they are money making machines for the company.
it would be great if it could be fixed, I always hear that they are money making machines for the company.
08-29-2023, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by kevin18
Is this opinion based on an extensive background in process improvement and safety management? Or simply the musings of a pilot who thinks no one can possibly understand what we do?
And it’s not that a non pilot can’t understand what we do, it’s that they do not view a problem through the same lens which often leads to decisions being made without the unique perspective of the line pilot.
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