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Andy 09-09-2023 04:20 AM


Originally Posted by mrmak2 (Post 3694681)
If the “forced upgrade” existed on the last contact we would not have LAS, MCO and IAH (maybe DEN/ORD) would be half the size today. For many that would be a concession.

In rhat case, when are LAS and MCO going to close?
How many more planes can they put in EWR, LAX, and SFO?

744ButtonPusher 09-09-2023 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon (Post 3694632)
That’s threading a needle you don’t want to thread imo.

Not that hard.. I have seen many a short cycle in the last year. Most were not close to failing but would def benefit from a little extra tlc by coming back in a couple of months.

TOGA Thrust 09-10-2023 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by Setopbug (Post 3694334)
Close. The FAA "ride" is not pass/fail. It's an observation. The new Captain is either in command of the aircraft or they're not. If they're not, there's some more IOE with an emphasis on that area, then another observation ride. Also, APD's or evaluators have nothing to do with the process. It's either a actual fed, or a QC in the jumpseat.

You can't fail it, because it's not a jeopardy event.


Another point: the observation is conducted during the trainees IOE (after a couple rides and 10 hours of time) It’s still a training ride. The observation is to determine if the trainee has internalized the Captain skills which she or he has received during sim training and IOE. If they have the QC signs a form stating the observation was completed - that’s it - no grading, etc. If not another observation is scheduled or it may be time to consider sending the trainee back to TK for some one on one work. I’ve been in both sides as the trainees LCP and as a QC. There is always a meeting of the minds after the observation.

hummingbear 09-10-2023 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by Doctor Block (Post 3694338)
It’s a concession. Right now, everyone can decide when to bid CA. Why would we let the company assign it to someone that doesn’t choose it?

Are people so scared that others will vote no, that you have to pretend this isn’t a concession? Those saying it takes a number of steps first, or that it won’t be implemented til later, or volunteers will reduce the number of forced upgrades, are ignoring the fact that it’s a concession.

This is correct. You may argue it is not a significant concession, or that it is a concession worth making, but to claim it just isn’t a concession at all is ridiculous.

TFAYD 09-10-2023 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 3694781)
In rhat case, when are LAS and MCO going to close?
How many more planes can they put in EWR, LAX, and SFO?

it’s expensive to close a base. I assume LAS and MCO will stay open.

finding a parking spot for a plane and pilot bases are two entirely different things.

do you really think that IAH, ORD, CLE and probably even DEN are “optimum” size?

I would not be surprised if those bases see years of stagnation / shrinking in the future.

Shrek 09-10-2023 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 3695227)
it’s expensive to close a base. I assume LAS and MCO will stay open.

finding a parking spot for a plane and pilot bases are two entirely different things.

do you really think that IAH, ORD, CLE and probably even DEN are “optimum” size?

I would not be surprised if those bases see years of stagnation / shrinking in the future.

LoL
They want to do 700 flights/day out of DEN - sounds like stagnation to me too 😂

worstpilotever 09-10-2023 09:06 AM

cool...700 times a day: united 123 uhhh, let me think here, uhhh, yeah your gate is occupied, uhhh, what should we do with you? uhhh, why dont you hold on the green line behind gate 47 uhhh, yeah thats a great idea.

hummingbear 09-10-2023 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 3695227)
it’s expensive to close a base. I assume LAS and MCO will stay open.

finding a parking spot for a plane and pilot bases are two entirely different things.

Bingo. I don’t know why people believe that because there’s not enough room for the planes to stay overnight in the hubs they necessarily need to have outstation pilot bases. There’s this thing called hotels. MCO & LAS were about appealing to pilots, not parking airplanes.

BurritoBeach 09-10-2023 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by worstpilotever (Post 3695231)
cool...700 times a day: united 123 uhhh, let me think here, uhhh, yeah your gate is occupied, uhhh, what should we do with you? uhhh, why dont you hold on the green line behind gate 47 uhhh, yeah thats a great idea.

Largest airport in the world and every day it's like they've never seen an airplane before. Completely baffling.

ReadOnly7 09-10-2023 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by BurritoBeach (Post 3695246)
Largest airport in the world and every day it's like they've never seen an airplane before. Completely baffling.

Largest in the U.S., not the world. And Atlanta pushes more people through than Denver.


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