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BurritoBeach 09-10-2023 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 3695250)
Largest in the U.S., not the world. And Atlanta pushes more people through than Denver.

I meant physically the largest. They have all sorts of room and they bottleneck planes everywhere even on good days.

guppie 09-10-2023 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3695218)
This is correct. You may argue it is not a significant concession, or that it is a concession worth making, but to claim it just isn’t a concession at all is ridiculous.

I’d argue that it is a concession, along with the 20 or so other concessions. Compared to 280 gets. (NC words, not mine). It’s a beauty, eh. That’s why it passes easily. Good value.

hummingbear 09-10-2023 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by guppie (Post 3695287)
I’d argue that it is a concession, along with the 20 or so other concessions. Compared to 280 gets. (NC words, not mine). It’s a beauty, eh. That’s why it passes easily. Good value.

More gets by volume. But it’s value that matters. 100 little wins still loses to 10 huge losses. That’s a personal judgement thing- everyone has to balance their own equation.

AbjectFutility 09-10-2023 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3695351)
More gets by volume. But it’s value that matters. 100 little wins still loses to 10 huge losses. That’s a personal judgement thing- everyone has to balance their own equation.

If only we knew how you see it 🙄

LJ Driver 09-11-2023 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3695243)
Bingo. I don’t know why people believe that because there’s not enough room for the planes to stay overnight in the hubs they necessarily need to have outstation pilot bases. There’s this thing called hotels. MCO & LAS were about appealing to pilots, not parking airplanes.

A few days ago I had an overnight to Jackson Hole. In the morning there were 7 UAL mainline and 1 United express airplane on the ramp, I was pretty surprised to see that at such a small airport.

TransWorld 09-11-2023 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by LJ Driver (Post 3695560)
A few days ago I had an overnight to Jackson Hole. In the morning there were 7 UAL mainline and 1 United express airplane on the ramp, I was pretty surprised to see that at such a small airport.

Lots of vacationers.

JTwift 09-11-2023 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by LJ Driver (Post 3695560)
A few days ago I had an overnight to Jackson Hole. In the morning there were 7 UAL mainline and 1 United express airplane on the ramp, I was pretty surprised to see that at such a small airport.

Jackson Hole base next?

Andy 09-11-2023 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by TFAYD (Post 3695227)
it’s expensive to close a base. I assume LAS and MCO will stay open.

finding a parking spot for a plane and pilot bases are two entirely different things.

do you really think that IAH, ORD, CLE and probably even DEN are “optimum” size?

I would not be surprised if those bases see years of stagnation / shrinking in the future.

Geez. You read the post I quoted. Did I really need to put a /s at the end of my post?
Apparently so, since others have piggybacked on your comment.

Let me requote the post I responded to:

Originally Posted by mrmak2 (Post 3694681)
If the “forced upgrade” existed on the last contact we would not have LAS, MCO and IAH (maybe DEN/ORD) would be half the size today. For many that would be a concession.


sleeves 09-11-2023 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by khergan;[url=tel:3694286
3694286[/url]]After seeing the TA, what do you think the MEC will say in defense of the forced upgrade issue?

Do you think there's a unique benefit in the TA that offsets the concession?

Short term anomaly.

guppie 09-11-2023 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by khergan (Post 3694286)
After seeing the TA, what do you think the MEC will say in defense of the forced upgrade issue?

Do you think there's a unique benefit in the TA that offsets the concession?


a. Reassignment and Overtime Pay
b. Elimination of mandatory FSB LOA 23-01 550
c. Implementation of all forms of reserve lines (VEC, Long-Call Only, SC line, Compressed, et. al.)
d. SC Matrix/SC Cap
e. Rolled Day Off protections
f. Reserve MPG/Days-Off
g. Holiday Pay
h. Unused short calls, late-build short calls
i. FDO Restrictions
j. PBS Timeline and G-line
k. Trip construction and rigs
l. Assignment ladder
m. Reserve to Lineholder
n. Ability to preference minimum time between vacation awards.


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