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11-09-2023 | 07:04 AM

#201

Brickfire

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Originally Posted by Triggs

Considering applying to UA as EWR is within driving distance from where I live. 12k TT, over 4000pic in the 737, LCA, and have operated N, C, and S America as well as all over Europe (Crossings included). What are the odds of being offered 737CA in initial?

The odds are low but that is the wrong question

It has been years since United filled their captain spots. If you don’t get it on the first day, you will get it on the next bid and either way you gotta get 12 months/500 hours at united before taking the upgrade.

This assumes you have 1000 hours of operations under FAA 121 (sorry - non US time doesn’t count)

11-09-2023 | 07:06 AM

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If it’s not offered, you’ll be able to get it by the time you’re off probation (if you still want it), and it likely would make less than 3-4 months difference in time. Zero factor in decision IMO.

11-09-2023 | 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by worstpilotever

I have said it before and will say it again: why on allahs green earth would I give up making 300k a year flying 8 or 9 days a month sleeping half the time laying over in HKG or SYD to go fly 13 or 14 days a month, 2-3 legs a day laying over in ICT or any city in FL to make 340k a year?

As a current guppy cap and former wbfo I’ll tell you why. Because many people (myself included) feel like hammered horseapples after each and every oceanic crossing. Took me a whole day to feel human again. I don’t sleep well in the bunks, nor do I do well trying to sleep and wake up 10 or 12 time zones away. That’s the beauty of this place, all the options. And yes, I know how to manage, diet, exercise, alcohol intake etc. just the way it is.

11-09-2023 | 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by worstpilotever

Because that's not MY math. It's going to be years before I get off of min guarantee reserve. I don't make 300k a year flying 8 or 9 days. I make 200k flying 0 days. ZERO days. I don't work. I don't go in. The phone does not ring. It's not a bad thing, necessarily.

NB CA get flown to the maximum. THAT difference is about $120k and I've got braces and colleges to pay for, and I live in base. I'll give it another 8-10 months on the WBFO and then go make some money for a while. When I can semi-retire on the WB again, I'll go back.

Or whatever. The world's on fire and who knows if a furlough/black swan is coming.

11-09-2023 | 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by worstpilotever

because after 10 years of international flying I was tired lol……

I’ll go back I already miss it…..but it won’t be as an FO

11-09-2023 | 07:40 AM

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From: Head pillow fluffer, Assistant bed maker

you guys keep talking about braces, at least where I live we have a dental insurance that covers a significant amount of the cost of braces.

11-09-2023 | 07:51 AM

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Stinger6

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Originally Posted by worstpilotever

you guys keep talking about braces, at least where I live we have a dental insurance that covers a significant amount of the cost of braces.

I'm not being completely literal. I actually just finished paying for (what I hope are) the last braces. Still quite a bit of dough out of pocket. Just sayin' that income in the form of currency can be exchanged for goods and services.

Or I'm being trolled. Can't tell.

But like the pilot above says: this place got options!

11-09-2023 | 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dmeg13021

WBFO to NBFO absolutely incurs a seat lock. However, that never prevents an upgrade, just subsequent NBFO lateral equipment change. And CA courses must be the long course if it’s your first time as a UA CA.

incorrect; (ref8-D-2 ) unless freezes get lifted for the purpose of bidding NB captain , when you bid from WBFO to NBFO you incur a bidding freeze (different than an equipment freeze) in which you can ONLY bid CA on the aircraft you bid on to.

So 777FO to 737FO would only be able to bid 737 CA for a period of 36 months (24 if you changed based from your down bid) . They would only be allowed to bid 320 CA IF freezes were lifted and would NOT be able to bid 757, 777, 787 CA PERIOD until the bidding freeze was over.

The only exception is if it’s a first time captain bid.

11-09-2023 | 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Guppydriver95

Guys that can take a 5 hour nap on first break at 12 pm body time just flat out amaze me. Tip my cap to that skill.

I had way too many ‘restless’ breaks east of Japan in moderate chop caught up to me. Plus stumbling around London/Paris again after forcing myself awake from 3 hour nap caused the glamour to fade. Take a look at some of our senior skippers that flew LH for decades vs senior NB guys. It adds up.

11-09-2023 | 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 744ButtonPusher

I don’t have the contract in front of me to look, but isn’t there also a clause that you CAN bid to a higher pay scale, but you’ll carry the balance of your freeze into the new equipment? So 777 FO to 737 FO spends 12 months on the 737 and then bids up to a higher paying category or seat. They could be awarded, but would take the 24 remaining months with them to the new equipment for a total of a 60 month lock on the new equipment.(?)