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Old 02-03-2024 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by dmeg13021
Guys don’t want kids?
Painting with a broad brush of course, but men are typically more willing to seek out or accept employment that requires more time away from the home than women. Men tend to place their emphasis on supporting a family while more women place their emphasis on actively raising children.
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Old 02-03-2024 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
Painting with a broad brush of course, but men are typically more willing to seek out or accept employment that requires more time away from the home than women. Men tend to place their emphasis on supporting a family while more women place their emphasis on actively raising children.
and unmarried men are more ok with work assignments overseas or work trips. Married men prefer to go home at the end of the day. 4+ day trips aren’t family friendly and make child care an issue for 2 income families
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Old 02-03-2024 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
Painting with a broad brush of course, but men are typically more willing to seek out or accept employment that requires more time away from the home than women. Men tend to place their emphasis on supporting a family while more women place their emphasis on actively raising children.
The underlying question is why is that the case? Is it pure biology? Is it merely custom? Does our society value the labor of males more than females? Do we think men are less capable of providing nurture to children than females? There’s a lot more prejudice in gender norms in this country than anyone cares to admit.
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Old 02-03-2024 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by dmeg13021
The underlying question is why is that the case? Is it pure biology? Is it merely custom? Does our society value the labor of males more than females? Do we think men are less capable of providing nurture to children than females? There’s a lot more prejudice in gender norms in this country than anyone cares to admit.
My guess is that it's a combination of both. I do think that men and women are biologically wired differently, and that most women are typically wired to desire more active roles in caring for children than most men. There is also a societal norm where men are providers and women are caregivers. Not saying that men don't equally desire children or love them, we just approach the issue differently.

I've asked numerous female pilots that I have flown with why so few women want to be pilots. Not one of them have listed any type of systemic prejudice or discrimination preventing them, it's just that most don't want to. I also asked why so many women are flight attendants and not pilots considering that we basically work the same schedule. The boiled down explanation that I have been given is that becoming a flight attendant takes very little effort. You can take practically any random person off the street and run them through the training. Becoming a pilot takes years of hard work and dedication. The bottom half of the flight attendant seniority list churns because people get hired, find out that a job that requires significant time on the road isn't for them, and they quit. For pilots, many women start out thinking that it sounds like a good job but quit before reaching the end goal because the amount of effort required for a job that requires extensive time away from the family is no longer appealing. The desire to be a mom who is home every day with the kids is simply worth more than what this job has to offer.
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Old 02-03-2024 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dmeg13021
The underlying question is why is that the case? Is it pure biology? Is it merely custom? Does our society value the labor of males more than females? Do we think men are less capable of providing nurture to children than females? There’s a lot more prejudice in gender norms in this country than anyone cares to admit.
most women don’t respect stay at home dads.
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Old 02-03-2024 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigpimppilot
most women don’t respect stay at home dads.
I’d expect that the ones that are married to them do.

But again, why do you suppose that is? Has a stay at home dad failed in the “real world” and isn’t a man worth catching? Or do alpha males look down upon such a non-masculine societal role?
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Old 02-03-2024 | 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
That's it.

Most women tend to want kids, and they know darn well that being gone all the time is harder for Mom than for Dad.

The ones that don't want kids, typically want the girlfriend life, meeting up for drinks with three or five friends four nights a week. Not sitting at a hotel bar in DTW with some fat old dude.

My kids figured that out when they were teens.
Then why are there more women FA's than men, and many many more women FA's vs pilots? Away from home just as much as us.
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Old 02-03-2024 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Bestglide
Agreed that overall it's pretty good. Also agreed they went the extra mile to be woke. perhaps it was to raise their ESG score or raise blood pressure of normal folks that are sick of this.
In the end, United will get the workforce it wants and because of their tunnel vision, they will pay for it at some couple. It will happen, just a matter of when.
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Old 02-03-2024 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by C2078
In the end, United will get the workforce it wants and because of their tunnel vision, they will pay for it at some couple. It will happen, just a matter of when.
Can't wait to give that LTGBQ couple a gigantic DEI approved hug...
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Old 02-03-2024 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by dmeg13021
I’d expect that the ones that are married to them do.

But again, why do you suppose that is? Has a stay at home dad failed in the “real world” and isn’t a man worth catching? Or do alpha males look down upon such a non-masculine societal role?
Women are hypergomous! They typically don't "date down". They will usually date across and above their socioeconomic level. If a man is a stay at home Dad because he lost his job then she might support him for a while but in the long run these relationships don't usually work. It has nothing to do with Alpha men looking down on them (which they do).
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