More ORD gates for United
10-04-2025 | 07:18 AM
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Also do you think the recent phenomenon of labor costs shooting to near mainline levels and gate and slot congestion changes the math on up gauging being more profitable than down gauging?
I have nothing against AA, but the idea that the company making a few B more per year is wrong while the company barely turning a profit is doing something right is a bit silly.
Also do you think the recent phenomenon of labor costs shooting to near mainline levels and gate and slot congestion changes the math on up gauging being more profitable than down gauging?
I have nothing against AA, but the idea that the company making a few B more per year is wrong while the company barely turning a profit is doing something right is a bit silly.
And now he suddenly is clairvoyant?
I never said what UA is doing now is wrong. Sometimes it's better to be lucky rather than good.
10-04-2025 | 07:27 AM
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ohh, he was just doing what he was told? He wasn't in charge? The nob schlobbing you Kirby fangirls do is something to behold. lol, just because he wasn't in charge doesn't mean you cannot push for something. You ever been part of a corporate structure?
10-04-2025 | 07:27 AM
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Much like when Kirby went to UAL, he is keeping course with what he was handed with Munoz.
I still credit Munoz for the success UAL is achieving now. Kirby is just maintaining course that Munoz set setup UAL to head.
It's often the question, but I don't think he would have changed AA's direction much if he was selected over Isom. Not saying Kirby is bad as he has shown to be a capable leader, but he isn't the visonary his rep makes him out to be. He just recognizes the strengths of UAL and AA and he is good at exploiting them. He wouldn't have made AA into this international powerhouse as it isn't AA's strength as much as AA pilots would want that.
But who knows. It's still an interesting what if.
10-04-2025 | 07:28 AM
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Incorrect. Tell me you never driven by the AA gates in O'Hare without telling me you never driven by the AA gates in O'Hare. UA literally has two wings of gates full of Regional lift lol.
10-04-2025 | 08:08 AM
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I agree with that. United has always had the best route structure especially after getting EWR in the merger with CAL. Unfortunately, it was grossly mismanaged and underdeveloped until Kirby and his network team took over. And when it comes to more RJs and Tumi TAs the pilots and their union needs to just say, NO!
10-04-2025 | 09:17 AM
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In reality ORD based AA pilots loves what UA is doing there. It finally lit a fire under the ass of the idiots up in AA corporate to stop ignoring Chicago. AA is growing the ORD pilot base and is now stuffing as many flights as they can in there. It's hilarious seeing 13 United and 10 American planes in the CDF waiting for gates every time I go in there. This may be the one time AA corporate doesn't let Kirby walk all over them. Mutually assured destruction.
10-04-2025 | 09:30 AM
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Sorry bro, I am not CEO of a major airline going on National TV wishing thousands of pilots go out in the streets without jobs. But hey you can get preferential hiring here starting over at the bottom of the list lol. Plus where did I wish for your demise? Karma is a B and I won't be the one administering it.
Was listening to one of my favorite aviation podcasts yesterday. They absolutely tore Kirby apart. Apparently, he tried blaming "lazy" ATC personnel for the issues at Newerk. lol, wtf is wrong with that guy? He needs better PR people because every time he opens up his mouth he inserts his foot into it.
10-04-2025 | 09:46 AM
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Munoz did a good job of changing the culture, but knew very little about the airline business. Under Munoz and before Kirby arrived Julia Haywood was the Chief Commercial Officer from Boston Consulting. She wanted to de-hub IAD, DEN and or LAX. She was heading back to Boston Consulting six months after Kirby arrived and obviously he took United in the opposite direction. He also got rid of Andrew Levy the CFO from Allegiant who is now the CEO at Avelo.
I am not trying to throw shade at Kirby as I said, he is a very smart and capable person. Munoz while not knowing the industry, made a brilliant move in poaching him from AA. Hence why I credit Munoz for where UAL is at. He eventually got the right people in the right positions to take UAL where it is at now. Kirby isn't doing anything drastic, risky per se, or visionary. He saw the strength's/potential in UAL's network and is fully exploiting it. He would likely not do what he is doing now at UAL if he stayed to take over AA.
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