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Old 09-02-2025 | 12:11 PM
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As I said before, WB CA seniority is going to be dropping in a big way. 2013-14 hires soon.
and still 25 to hold a line.
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Old 09-02-2025 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble

Flying to where? Nothing has been announced. Yet.
I would guess Quayle isn’t going to tip his hand until deliveries are assured.

supposedly 24 of the next 26 are being delivered with a high first class layout and low economy. So my guess is that they will replace the 767s in the same configuration and probably the 777s flying to high priced destinations (HND/LHR/ZRH/GVA/TLV/SIN)

then those planes will backfill be retired or fly somewhere new. The oldest 767s hit their HMVs next spring……that’s 20 frames.
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Old 09-02-2025 | 12:17 PM
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We’ll see if there will be nuggets divulged at the standards meeting.
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Old 09-02-2025 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
I would guess Quayle isn’t going to tip his hand until deliveries are assured.

supposedly 24 of the next 26 are being delivered with a high first class layout and low economy. So my guess is that they will replace the 767s in the same configuration and probably the 777s flying to high priced destinations (HND/LHR/ZRH/GVA/TLV/SIN)

then those planes will backfill be retired or fly somewhere new. The oldest 767s hit their HMVs next spring……that’s 20 frames.
There is no 763 flying out of SFO, which is where most of these bids are. I bet there are some new 787 destinations coming. You don't need 27 CA and 88 FO for a single daily destination.
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Old 09-02-2025 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
53 Captains (All 787)
660 FOs (mostly 737 and Airbus FO)

95 787 FOs. 88 in SFO. Other bases all staffed to allow backfills. Looks like we are not actually "massively overstaffed" in all 787 bases lol.
May I ask a very dumb question:

For SFO 787 CAP for example we see that there are 155 pilots currently, and the min/max is at 182. Bingo 27 vacancies very straight forward.

There are 8 retirements scheduled from now until 1/30.

Do those 8 positions just get filled from a secondary vacancy? Or are those 8 positions covered by the 27 vacancies? Thus meaning there are only 19 “new” positions created.
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Old 09-02-2025 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 11atsomto
May I ask a very dumb question:

For SFO 787 CAP for example we see that there are 155 pilots currently, and the min/max is at 182. Bingo 27 vacancies very straight forward.

There are 8 retirements scheduled from now until 1/30.

Do those 8 positions just get filled from a secondary vacancy? Or are those 8 positions covered by the 27 vacancies? Thus meaning there are only 15 “new” positions created.
they are covered
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Old 09-02-2025 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot
There is no 763 flying out of SFO, which is where most of these bids are. I bet there are some new 787 destinations coming. You don't need 27 CA and 88 FO for a single daily destination.
this is just the first bid…….

787s take over the 3 SFO-LHR flights and both the SFO -SYD flights and the SFO - HND flights. Then those 777s go out to EWR/DCA and replace 767s then those 767s either get retired backfill a 757 or fly somewhere new.

there doesn’t have to be 767 flying in a certain base for 767 flying to be replaced by a 787.

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Old 09-02-2025 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
I would guess Quayle isn’t going to tip his hand until deliveries are assured.

supposedly 24 of the next 26 are being delivered with a high first class layout and low economy. So my guess is that they will replace the 767s in the same configuration and probably the 777s flying to high priced destinations (HND/LHR/ZRH/GVA/TLV/SIN)

then those planes will backfill be retired or fly somewhere new. The oldest 767s hit their HMVs next spring……that’s 20 frames.
This was my theory. We have retired 3 of the older Pratt 777’s with the intent of them being parts birds. The (Pratt) fleet of triples is literally cannibalizing itself now. However the 787 will never be able to do what it can do in terms of pax and cargo.

The 350 on the other hand? I have heard rumors that mgmt is now saying they’ve waited out the Rolls Royce contract (that has kept us on the hook) so long, it has now become economically advantageous in the current environment.
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Old 09-02-2025 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble

Flying to where? Nothing has been announced. Yet.
The Summer schedule announcements have been being released late September-early October (at least these last few years). So… coming soon? Maybe?
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Old 09-02-2025 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
However the 787 will never be able to do what it can do in terms of pax and cargo.
same thing was said (and true) of 747/777
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