September Vacancy Bid (713 Total)
09-02-2025 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by VacancyBid;[url=tel:3944870
3944870]same thing was said (and true) of 747/777
The old 777’s are still profitable, and would be maintainable were it not for the Pratt engines.
09-02-2025 | 03:50 PM
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May I ask a very dumb question:
For SFO 787 CAP for example we see that there are 155 pilots currently, and the min/max is at 182. Bingo 27 vacancies very straight forward.
There are 8 retirements scheduled from now until 1/30.
Do those 8 positions just get filled from a secondary vacancy? Or are those 8 positions covered by the 27 vacancies? Thus meaning there are only 19 “new” positions created.
For SFO 787 CAP for example we see that there are 155 pilots currently, and the min/max is at 182. Bingo 27 vacancies very straight forward.
There are 8 retirements scheduled from now until 1/30.
Do those 8 positions just get filled from a secondary vacancy? Or are those 8 positions covered by the 27 vacancies? Thus meaning there are only 19 “new” positions created.
09-02-2025 | 04:38 PM
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this is just the first bid…….
787s take over the 3 SFO-LHR flights and both the SFO -SYD flights and the SFO - HND flights. Then those 777s go out to EWR/DCA and replace 767s then those 767s either get retired backfill a 757 or fly somewhere new.
there doesn’t have to be 767 flying in a certain base for 767 flying to be replaced by a 787.
787s take over the 3 SFO-LHR flights and both the SFO -SYD flights and the SFO - HND flights. Then those 777s go out to EWR/DCA and replace 767s then those 767s either get retired backfill a 757 or fly somewhere new.
there doesn’t have to be 767 flying in a certain base for 767 flying to be replaced by a 787.
09-02-2025 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SquawkIdent;[url=tel:3944922
3944922[/url]]Agreed. Given that they’re advertising 27 CA/88 FO on SFO 787 and the min/max for SFO 777 shows that they’re willing to lose 10 CAs/70 FOs, it’s pretty clear where the flying is headed long-term.
09-02-2025 | 04:57 PM
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people say the 787 can’t do what the 777 can with cargo but if the majority of the plane is First class and Premium economy you can put a lot of cargo and make a lot of money just like the 777.
it’s not going to be the domestic stuff…..the SFO 777 pilots are going to be the ones losing out.
09-02-2025 | 05:33 PM
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I would guess Quayle isn’t going to tip his hand until deliveries are assured.
supposedly 24 of the next 26 are being delivered with a high first class layout and low economy. So my guess is that they will replace the 767s in the same configuration and probably the 777s flying to high priced destinations (HND/LHR/ZRH/GVA/TLV/SIN)
then those planes will backfill be retired or fly somewhere new. The oldest 767s hit their HMVs next spring……that’s 20 frames.
this is just the first bid…….
787s take over the 3 SFO-LHR flights and both the SFO -SYD flights and the SFO - HND flights. Then those 777s go out to EWR/DCA and replace 767s then those 767s either get retired backfill a 757 or fly somewhere new.
there doesn’t have to be 767 flying in a certain base for 767 flying to be replaced by a 787.
yeah that’s kind of a big problem it’s killed 3 of our 777 in the last couple months
supposedly 24 of the next 26 are being delivered with a high first class layout and low economy. So my guess is that they will replace the 767s in the same configuration and probably the 777s flying to high priced destinations (HND/LHR/ZRH/GVA/TLV/SIN)
then those planes will backfill be retired or fly somewhere new. The oldest 767s hit their HMVs next spring……that’s 20 frames.
this is just the first bid…….
787s take over the 3 SFO-LHR flights and both the SFO -SYD flights and the SFO - HND flights. Then those 777s go out to EWR/DCA and replace 767s then those 767s either get retired backfill a 757 or fly somewhere new.
there doesn’t have to be 767 flying in a certain base for 767 flying to be replaced by a 787.
yeah that’s kind of a big problem it’s killed 3 of our 777 in the last couple months
This is a pretty cool site with lots of interesting information about the fleet.
https://profiles.cirium.com/showcase...airlines/fleet
Last edited by jerryleber; 09-02-2025 at 05:50 PM.
09-02-2025 | 07:03 PM
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If it truly will be 777 flying shifting to the 787, all the SFO777 pilots (especially the FO’s) need to make sure they understand the contract WRT to a lateral move and equipment freezes, vice waiting it out for a displacement bid and what comes with displacement rights.
09-02-2025 | 08:26 PM
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If it truly will be 777 flying shifting to the 787, all the SFO777 pilots (especially the FO’s) need to make sure they understand the contract WRT to a lateral move and equipment freezes, vice waiting it out for a displacement bid and what comes with displacement rights.
there are enough senior trash bag jumpers that the FO list will shrink from the top. Also there are a ton of “new hire” 777 FOs who have been riding 2 years of reserve I’m willing to bet we see enough Junior 777 FOs take the CA bid in NOV.
and if none of that happens the company has shown they are not afraid to crew other bases flying from over staffed bases.
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