Sitting RSV/commute from BOS
#21
Thanks for all the input. The long call only lines have seemed like the right choice, even if getting used first or more frequently. Would there be any advantage to bidding a traditional long call line and dealing with the SC conversions? I am trying to maximize time at home for family reasons, but would love to regain left seat wages at the first opportunity. The 737 seems to have rapid growth but EWR having a high pain in the ass index, especially on RSV has me worried.
On a more practical note. You’re week is will generally look like this (assuming a 5 day stretch of reserve):
Day 1: SC1700
Day 2: Commute home
Day 3: 3 day trip assigned
If you get a 2 day trip, you’ll go home Day 5 and start your days off early.
Personally, I try to bid 3 or 4 day trips. I’ll APU a trip that is 1 less than my reserve stretch so I get an additional day off.
Worth noting, you can’t be assigned anything before 10 am on Day 1 of a reserve stretch. If you pick up something that starts before 10 am, you get 2 hours of additional pay (trip) or 1 hour of additional for a SC.
Some people try to pick up commutable both ends so they can fly in, sit all day, then go home at the end of the day if they go unused. You can also tell CS that you’re not contactable for the first 2.5 hours of a SC while you commute in. It’s a nice perk to have. Lastly, SC is 2.5 hour call out, but after 9 hours, you go to 12 hour call out until your RAP is done then you’re back to 18 hours. Meaning, after 9 hours, you get to go home since you’re almost unusable.
When I’m on reserve, I sit TRV from Florida. It’s definitely doable.
#22
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. Lastly, SC is 2.5 hour call out, but after 9 hours, you go to 12 hour call out until your RAP is done then you’re back to 18 hours. Meaning, after 9 hours, you get to go home since you’re almost unusable.
When I’m on reserve, I sit TRV from Florida. It’s definitely doable.
When I’m on reserve, I sit TRV from Florida. It’s definitely doable.
let’s clear something up about my least favorite part of the contract. After 9 hours, you’re released. BUT, they can still contact you until the end of the 14th hour and give you a trip the next day.
I got called at 11pm for a noon show the next day. And, to top it off, that counts as a used SC, so you don’t even get the hour of MPG.
Commute home after 9 hours at your own risk.
#23
let’s clear something up about my least favorite part of the contract. After 9 hours, you’re released. BUT, they can still contact you until the end of the 14th hour and give you a trip the next day.
I got called at 11pm for a noon show the next day. And, to top it off, that counts as a used SC, so you don’t even get the hour of MPG.
Commute home after 9 hours at your own risk.
I got called at 11pm for a noon show the next day. And, to top it off, that counts as a used SC, so you don’t even get the hour of MPG.
Commute home after 9 hours at your own risk.
hour callout until the RAP is done. That’s why it counts as a used SC. It does get tricky like in your case, but I’d say that’s not the norm
#24
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I’m not a huge fan of the verbiage in the contract regarding this. After 9 hours, you’re not technically released from your RAP. You're just converted to a 12
hour callout until the RAP is done. That’s why it counts as a used SC. It does get tricky like in your case, but I’d say that’s not the norm
hour callout until the RAP is done. That’s why it counts as a used SC. It does get tricky like in your case, but I’d say that’s not the norm
it doesn’t happen much, as far as I know, but it can and does happen.
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#25
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From: EWR 737 FO
The whole thing with JB and their gates starts in '27 and you can expect those flights to be transcons on the 321XLR. That thing will be half premium seats becuase UA is trying capture more business travel passengers out of NYC. Assuming you are out of BOS there are plenty of JS options. But... I'm guessing the XLR trips will go senior so don't bid 320 becuase of what might happen in 2 years.
UA trips out of LGA leave later in the day (good for commuters) and go to hubs. Guys that I know doing those trips get reassigned alot. They replaced the 320 with the 737 at LGA to get more premium seats a few months ago. That is unlikely to change anytime soon.
#26
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Yeah idk, I’ve always been a pure numbers guy. I doubt anyone you asked made an effort to do some research before giving an honest answer. I’m showing 50/122 BOS CA’s retiring in 5y (40%)—91/122 retiring in 10y (75%). The upgrade times should theoretically be less than 5 years if hired today.
Jr. upgrade times at AA should remain around 2.5y for at least a few more years due to mandatory retirements and A/C orders. BOS is a senior base—a 5y NB upgrade time is very senior at AA. Every other base—including PHX Airbus—has current upgrade times under 4 years.
Jr. upgrade times at AA should remain around 2.5y for at least a few more years due to mandatory retirements and A/C orders. BOS is a senior base—a 5y NB upgrade time is very senior at AA. Every other base—including PHX Airbus—has current upgrade times under 4 years.
In no way shape or form is a 5 year NB CA senior at AA.
That CA is around 50% on the seniority list (8000/16000) and it would take you around 15 years to reach that level if hired today. That 12-15 upgrade into BOS isn't that far off. By 2040 AA will have retired 8000 pilots, so if hired in Jan 2026 you'd reach 50% at age 51.
Of course this assumes little relative growth over that time frame, so take it or leave it.
#27
Unhappy days here at NK… CBA concessions announced yesterday so I’m looking to bail on my 10+ years and cushy schedule. Sounds like they’ll be gutting the QOL and pay, so a career reset is suddenly palatable.
My question for the UA gang- I’ve got roots in BOS, and would love to hop on the growth and retirement train at UA, which seems like the best ladder to climb of the three legacies at my age (36).
My only hesitation for UA is committing to a lifetime of commuting. DL has the new 330 base in BOS which is about 10 years before I’d hold it, and AA has a tiny and stagnant 737 base here, but would be a 10-15 year upgrade.
I am basically wondering what RSV and commuting realities are for EWR. Would LCR realistically work sitting in BOS? I’ve done the ORD commute before and it wasn’t awful, but I knew it was temporary. I’ve sampled the BOS-EWR commute at NK and I think it gave me PTSD. Any sort of work rules or seniority progression I should be considering when it comes to the EWR base in particular? Apps are going out and I know the turnaround times are fast these days so I want to be prepared in case the first world problem happens and I have a choice.
Thanks in advance
My question for the UA gang- I’ve got roots in BOS, and would love to hop on the growth and retirement train at UA, which seems like the best ladder to climb of the three legacies at my age (36).
My only hesitation for UA is committing to a lifetime of commuting. DL has the new 330 base in BOS which is about 10 years before I’d hold it, and AA has a tiny and stagnant 737 base here, but would be a 10-15 year upgrade.
I am basically wondering what RSV and commuting realities are for EWR. Would LCR realistically work sitting in BOS? I’ve done the ORD commute before and it wasn’t awful, but I knew it was temporary. I’ve sampled the BOS-EWR commute at NK and I think it gave me PTSD. Any sort of work rules or seniority progression I should be considering when it comes to the EWR base in particular? Apps are going out and I know the turnaround times are fast these days so I want to be prepared in case the first world problem happens and I have a choice.
Thanks in advance
American today, has a NB BOS base with unparalleled retirement movement. Delta has a 330 base and will more than likely have a 320/220 base in the next 1-2 years which will be funneled by the numerous 320/220’s still on order + DL expected to gain more gates after the A-B connector is finished.
Either way, the day you could hold BOS at AA or DL you will forever regret not driving to work as you hop on your commute to EWR (which you just said gave you PTSD). At AA or DL you can book the jump-seat to DTW or MSP in the meantime, RJ commute to NYC (can’t book JS on RJ’s), or take advantage of the massive amount of BOS overnights on the 320 or 220.
Short answer: out of 3 majors, one will never have a BOS base.
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I’d use the phrase less likely. Not saying you are wrong, it’s just there is already an FA base there. With more integration with JetBlue coming…Boston is the most conducive US airport for narrow body transatlantic…….and that’s only going to get more common.
#29
If you're a pure numbers guy you'd know we've hired like 6,000 pilots since that junior BOS CA was hired. And to get to that level you're looking at around 15 years of retirements. Incorrect, 6000 mandatory retirements is around 9 years, not 15.
In no way shape or form is a 5 year NB CA senior at AA. I said the most senior NB upgrade time at American is BOS 737–which is currently 5 years.
Keep in mind AA has hired a boatload of pilots in the past five years, with thousands retiring between when that Jr BOS CA was hired and today. American—Delta—United have all hired a boatload of pilots in the last five years. How many pilots five years ago gave up on their pursuit be hired at a legacy because they “missed the wave”.
That CA is around 50% (Wrong) on the seniority list (8000/16000) (Wrong) and it would take you around 15 years (Wrong) to reach that level if hired today. That 12-15 upgrade into BOS isn't that far off (Wrong). By 2040 AA will have retired 8000 pilots (Finally! That’s correct!), so if hired in Jan 2026 you'd reach 50% at age 51. (So you’re assuming American will have the same total pilots from 2026-2040? Zero growth in 15 years?)
Of course this assumes little relative growth over that time frame, so take it or leave it.
In no way shape or form is a 5 year NB CA senior at AA. I said the most senior NB upgrade time at American is BOS 737–which is currently 5 years.
Keep in mind AA has hired a boatload of pilots in the past five years, with thousands retiring between when that Jr BOS CA was hired and today. American—Delta—United have all hired a boatload of pilots in the last five years. How many pilots five years ago gave up on their pursuit be hired at a legacy because they “missed the wave”.
That CA is around 50% (Wrong) on the seniority list (8000/16000) (Wrong) and it would take you around 15 years (Wrong) to reach that level if hired today. That 12-15 upgrade into BOS isn't that far off (Wrong). By 2040 AA will have retired 8000 pilots (Finally! That’s correct!), so if hired in Jan 2026 you'd reach 50% at age 51. (So you’re assuming American will have the same total pilots from 2026-2040? Zero growth in 15 years?)
Of course this assumes little relative growth over that time frame, so take it or leave it.
#30
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let’s clear something up about my least favorite part of the contract. After 9 hours, you’re released. BUT, they can still contact you until the end of the 14th hour and give you a trip the next day.
I got called at 11pm for a noon show the next day. And, to top it off, that counts as a used SC, so you don’t even get the hour of MPG.
Commute home after 9 hours at your own risk.
I got called at 11pm for a noon show the next day. And, to top it off, that counts as a used SC, so you don’t even get the hour of MPG.
Commute home after 9 hours at your own risk.
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