Maybe I’m just lucky and they are making errors, but I was called during my SC on Wednesday and given an assignment for Thursday, and it I still got the hour into my MPG…….and always have. Maybe I’m just lucky

 

when they gave you the trip, was it within 12 hours? Reference 20-a-4.

you may have simply gotten a trip that wasn’t part of your SC (which is good for you).

 

As I understand 20-a-4, after 9 hours from when a Short call period began, but still within 14 hours, the MINIMUM report time is 12 hours.
Reason is you need the rest. Seems pretty basic.

In my case I was notified of an assignment still during the initial 9 hours. The time from notification until report time was 14 hours and 9 minutes.

20-a-4 unless I am not seeing something, has a vacuum of language defining if a case like mine would be considered “used” or “unused”.

Situations like mine happen pretty regularly and my Pay register has been recording them as Unused. Perhaps I am lucky. I think in the spirit of the rule, it should be unused as, in the first 9 hours are on DUTY, after 9 hours YOU ARE NOT ON DUTY, and as such you were “unused” during your duty period.

 

you are getting lucky indeed. The definition of unused isnt in 20-4-a, it’s in 3-C-1-b
“A reserves MPG shall increase by 1 hour for each unused short call….. a used short call is one in which a pilot is assigned to a trip scheduled to report within eighteen (18) hours of the time the trip assignment is made (12 if vec)”

so yes, it’s clearly stated there they can give you a rest reset and as long as the report is within 18 hours of the assignment time, no dice on the pay. It makes zero difference if you were on the 2.5 hour callout of the first 9 hours or the 12 hour callout of the next 5. Now after 14 hours from the SC start, you’re good to go and get the pay assuming no pairing, because the SC period itself is 14 hours long (look at your master schedule and you’ll see); and once it’s over with no assignment, it’s “unused”

Stated another way, any pairing that reports within 32:00 hours of the SC start time has the potential to rob you of the pay increase. Depending on if they make it down the “ladder” to you and when the pairing becomes open.

I just had an assignment with the rest reset and was notified during my SC with 16 hours to report…no mpg increase

this was a huge give to the company. There is rarely hanging around on LSR for the TRV pilot (in my category at least). You are either on a SC or assigned a trip or returning from a trip awaiting the next SC and get no pay incentive for working more until you break guarantee. All SCs should pay much like VEC gets a pay increase for their availability

 

Yes. Every single SC I get is always a late build and then half go unused. So most of the time I end up with two hours add pay. Seems like the company loves this and very much willing to build late build SCs everyday. Pilot group came up very short with the pay triggers for the SCs. SCs should pay two hours regardless of used or unused and then five hours if they are late build. Almost impossible to sneak through a block of reserve days without getting converted which basically defeats the purpose of an 18 hour callout.

 

agreed, but if you’re getting all late build you are coming out ahead. Dunno how that would happen consistently, they generally build the first 3-5 scs between 9-10am at least that’s what I’ve seen. There is an occasional late build. There is also a provision if they give you one after it sat in open time for an hour or something to that effect

 

Got assigned one at 1730 two nights ago. See them nearly every day in ORD.

An extra hour isn’t “coming out ahead”. It’s giving the company an out to manipulate staffing even further at very little cost to them.

 

The harder you make it for the company to use their reserves, the worse QOL will get for line holders. The flight is still going to go out, and it’s going to have pilots on it. Making the company compensate reserves financially as opposed to making them harder to use seems like a win for the pilot group.

 

You been a LH lately on a narrow body fleet? QOL is just as bad with reassignments. At least at WN and DL their reassignments pay. Ours do… sometimes 🤷‍♂️ again a measly hour (maybe).

 

on that note I had to fight tooth and nail to get appropriately paid for a 20-I-9 they mislabeled as a 20-I-5. 13 hr difference in pay. Took me 3 weeks and 10 back and forths with ALPA SSC, Pilot Pay and Eventually the CPO. Apparently there are many such cases