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Originally Posted by Washout;[url=tel:3954844
3954844]Yeah. Hope you were buying at the bottom in April. People are looking in the rear view mirror.
Everything I'm saying is verifiable. Go look yourself
The economy is reaccelerating into the crash. Markets crash up first as the dollar slides and people fomo into speculative assets. That's what you're witnessing after they got the tariff wrong.
Tariffs are deflationary.
Profitable now. The consumer is going to crushed as autos, homes crash, and the stock market with it when layoffs tick higher etc. The gig economy distorts everything. Gdp growth from Ai does very little for the bottom 80%. When the top 20% get hit early next year. DL and UA are in for the most hurt due to their passenger base.
Yes they are profitable and will shrink to remain profitable. Take at least 3 years for the economy to begin to recover.
How each cuts pay/rules/staffing is airline specific. AA is certainly bankrupt. UA, DL, and SW will grind out the weaker ones and do the best. Not doom, but gonna be a wild ride.
Cheers.
Everything I'm saying is verifiable. Go look yourself
The economy is reaccelerating into the crash. Markets crash up first as the dollar slides and people fomo into speculative assets. That's what you're witnessing after they got the tariff wrong.
Tariffs are deflationary.
Profitable now. The consumer is going to crushed as autos, homes crash, and the stock market with it when layoffs tick higher etc. The gig economy distorts everything. Gdp growth from Ai does very little for the bottom 80%. When the top 20% get hit early next year. DL and UA are in for the most hurt due to their passenger base.
Yes they are profitable and will shrink to remain profitable. Take at least 3 years for the economy to begin to recover.
How each cuts pay/rules/staffing is airline specific. AA is certainly bankrupt. UA, DL, and SW will grind out the weaker ones and do the best. Not doom, but gonna be a wild ride.
Cheers.
Everything you’re saying, people said about the Biden economy too. It didn’t go up but it also didn’t crash the way everyone predicted.
But hey, on a long enough timeline everyone is right at some point, even the Bears. Betting against the US economy in the long run has always been a losing proposition however.
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Yeah. Hope you were buying at the bottom in April. People are looking in the rear view mirror.
Everything I'm saying is verifiable. Go look yourself
The economy is reaccelerating into the crash. Markets crash up first as the dollar slides and people fomo into speculative assets. That's what you're witnessing after they got the tariff wrong.
Tariffs are deflationary.
Profitable now. The consumer is going to crushed as autos, homes crash, and the stock market with it when layoffs tick higher etc. The gig economy distorts everything. Gdp growth from Ai does very little for the bottom 80%. When the top 20% get hit early next year. DL and UA are in for the most hurt due to their passenger base.
Yes they are profitable and will shrink to remain profitable. Take at least 3 years for the economy to begin to recover.
How each cuts pay/rules/staffing is airline specific. AA is certainly bankrupt. UA, DL, and SW will grind out the weaker ones and do the best. Not doom, but gonna be a wild ride.
Cheers.
Everything I'm saying is verifiable. Go look yourself
The economy is reaccelerating into the crash. Markets crash up first as the dollar slides and people fomo into speculative assets. That's what you're witnessing after they got the tariff wrong.
Tariffs are deflationary.
Profitable now. The consumer is going to crushed as autos, homes crash, and the stock market with it when layoffs tick higher etc. The gig economy distorts everything. Gdp growth from Ai does very little for the bottom 80%. When the top 20% get hit early next year. DL and UA are in for the most hurt due to their passenger base.
Yes they are profitable and will shrink to remain profitable. Take at least 3 years for the economy to begin to recover.
How each cuts pay/rules/staffing is airline specific. AA is certainly bankrupt. UA, DL, and SW will grind out the weaker ones and do the best. Not doom, but gonna be a wild ride.
Cheers.
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Yeah. Hope you were buying at the bottom in April. People are looking in the rear view mirror.
Everything I'm saying is verifiable. Go look yourself
The economy is reaccelerating into the crash. Markets crash up first as the dollar slides and people fomo into speculative assets. That's what you're witnessing after they got the tariff wrong.
Tariffs are deflationary.
Profitable now. The consumer is going to crushed as autos, homes crash, and the stock market with it when layoffs tick higher etc. The gig economy distorts everything. Gdp growth from Ai does very little for the bottom 80%. When the top 20% get hit early next year. DL and UA are in for the most hurt due to their passenger base.
Yes they are profitable and will shrink to remain profitable. Take at least 3 years for the economy to begin to recover.
How each cuts pay/rules/staffing is airline specific. AA is certainly bankrupt. UA, DL, and SW will grind out the weaker ones and do the best. Not doom, but gonna be a wild ride.
Cheers.
Everything I'm saying is verifiable. Go look yourself
The economy is reaccelerating into the crash. Markets crash up first as the dollar slides and people fomo into speculative assets. That's what you're witnessing after they got the tariff wrong.
Tariffs are deflationary.
Profitable now. The consumer is going to crushed as autos, homes crash, and the stock market with it when layoffs tick higher etc. The gig economy distorts everything. Gdp growth from Ai does very little for the bottom 80%. When the top 20% get hit early next year. DL and UA are in for the most hurt due to their passenger base.
Yes they are profitable and will shrink to remain profitable. Take at least 3 years for the economy to begin to recover.
How each cuts pay/rules/staffing is airline specific. AA is certainly bankrupt. UA, DL, and SW will grind out the weaker ones and do the best. Not doom, but gonna be a wild ride.
Cheers.
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Alan Greenspan first mentioned “irrational exuberance in 1997, a full 3 years before the downturn. Nowhere near the black swans today that existed back then. I’d be Uber careful about listening to this charlatan. you know, the people who say one thing, but do the opposite.
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You sound like an FO I flew with recently. His TDS was so heavy, thinking the world would end, he liquidated his entire 401k (PRAP) during both of Trumps terms, and blames Trump for ruining his retirement plans after missing two historic runs. YCMTSU
Everything you’re saying, people said about the Biden economy too. It didn’t go up but it also didn’t crash the way everyone predicted.
But hey, on a long enough timeline everyone is right at some point, even the Bears. Betting against the US economy in the long run has always been a losing proposition however.
Everything you’re saying, people said about the Biden economy too. It didn’t go up but it also didn’t crash the way everyone predicted.
But hey, on a long enough timeline everyone is right at some point, even the Bears. Betting against the US economy in the long run has always been a losing proposition however.
"it's the economy stupid"
If you understood what I said I've been ultra long since the gfc and retired before I turned 36. I'm saying it's gonna crash next year at a much higher level and y'all are gonna be buying every payday 🚀
Only time I've been short is prior to covid and the draw downs as liquidity dried up. Not supposed to be short liquidity in a 44 year bull market. Older than me.
The stock market is not the economy and the president doesn't control the monetary system. Neither does the fed... Which is exactly why people are gonna get crushed. It's global and opaque as hell. We're in a liquidity crisis. Gonna pop next year.
Technically trump has made been president for most of these paper gains. Powell did the rest. Now they're crushing the bubbles to crush China.
If that ruins people's retirement than they aren't paying attention to the world.
Sorry for the confusion
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Crypto is a ponzi scheme BTW.
Those people are the exit liquidity as Wallstreet sells their dog**** private equity to retail and the auto and home markets implode.
Same thing happened in the gfc, dot Com, Asian financial crisis, 1929 etc.
This time isn't different
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likely we’ll never know as his internet will have been turned off when he gets wiped out.
Alan Greenspan first mentioned “irrational exuberance in 1997, a full 3 years before the downturn. Nowhere near the black swans today that existed back then. I’d be Uber careful about listening to this charlatan. you know, the people who say one thing, but do the opposite.
Alan Greenspan first mentioned “irrational exuberance in 1997, a full 3 years before the downturn. Nowhere near the black swans today that existed back then. I’d be Uber careful about listening to this charlatan. you know, the people who say one thing, but do the opposite.
We're gonna slide back to 2014 prices and the big 25-35 trillion dollar bazooka will be fired after the privatize SS and dismantle the welfare state.
Promise this isn't rocket science, but most people don't realize that money is loaned into existence. High rates, less money... We're already the coyote off the cliff and people will bid it up much higher until the banking system implodes again.
It's gravity. Business cycle is real.
Cheers
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Because this is how the monetary system works and has our entire lives.
Triffin's paradox
We've been in a depression since August 9th 2007 propped up by credit and zirp.
This isn't a random call. It's going to be when boomers hit max retirement and layoffs meet.
Triffin's paradox
We've been in a depression since August 9th 2007 propped up by credit and zirp.
This isn't a random call. It's going to be when boomers hit max retirement and layoffs meet.
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No. The markets have MUCH higher to go the next few months. The fomo rally hasn't even begun. It's getting out that's the problem. Btc going to 150k +. S&P 500 to 8000+. Gold 4400.
Crypto is a ponzi scheme BTW.
Those people are the exit liquidity as Wallstreet sells their dog**** private equity to retail and the auto and home markets implode.
Same thing happened in the gfc, dot Com, Asian financial crisis, 1929 etc.
This time isn't different
Crypto is a ponzi scheme BTW.
Those people are the exit liquidity as Wallstreet sells their dog**** private equity to retail and the auto and home markets implode.
Same thing happened in the gfc, dot Com, Asian financial crisis, 1929 etc.
This time isn't different
Calling crypto a Ponzi is lazy. Unlike 2000-era dot-coms with no revenue, blockchain infrastructure is being integrated into payments, custody, and settlement. The players aren’t just “retail exit liquidity”—BlackRock, Fidelity, and sovereign wealth funds don’t buy “dog****” to get dumped on.
As for “this time isn’t different”—it actually is. Every major bull run looked unsustainable in the moment. People said the same at S&P 1,500, at 3,000, and at 4,500. Now they’ll say it again at 6,000 on the way to 8,000.
The real risk isn’t that markets collapse tomorrow. The real risk is being too bearish and missing the gains while waiting for the crash that never comes.
When the economy eventually corrects, one thing is certain: United, Delta, and the rest will do what they must to capitalize on it. Wishing you the best on your future returns—cheers!
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