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Old 02-14-2026 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Be careful what you wish for. Companies merge looking for “synergies” as well as economies of scale. Base closures aren’t unheard of, resulting in people being uprooted and potentially either moving or becoming commuters against their will.

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A lot of transplanted East Coast people bailed after the Virgin Alaska merger. And because Alaska wanted to be “proudly all Boeing” pretty much everyone from Virgin who didn’t bail ( and many who did) wound up having to get a 737 type.
please tell me which ones bailed? They all stayed and still complain about it non-stop. Wish the company would buy them all a little try table, maybe that’ll shut them up.
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Old 02-14-2026 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Merging seniority lists is a simple process. You spend 6 months negotiating with each other and get absolutely no where. You then go to binding arbitration. The arbitrator after about 1 year releases the new list and everyone is ****ed off. Done!
this is accurate!
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Old 02-14-2026 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by PNWFlyer
please tell me which ones bailed? They all stayed and still complain about it non-stop. Wish the company would buy them all a little try table, maybe that’ll shut them up.
Very similar to my experience on a merger committee. Meet for months, not come remotely close on a single point. Meet with arbitrator, be told that none of us are being reasonable. Give our best closing position and proposals to the arbitrator and go home. Months later everyone is equally mad. Success.
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Old 02-14-2026 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ugleeual
If we merge, which I doubt, the top 25% of the integration list will be primarily United with some senior JB sprinkled in… middle 50% will be about even, and bottom 25% will lean more United with junior JB sprinkled in with more towards the bottom. Bottom line is nobody happy except the top 25% at United and the handful of senior JB pilots who get sprinkled into seniority’s that can hold WB CA (with some minor fences)… most ****ed off will be the United pilots in the 50-70% seniority range at the time of snapshot… they’ll be upset on how they merge in with JB pilots who will probably be junior to them in total seniority at each company.

Whatever the case we do t have a say…
I agree mostly, but the bottom 25% of UAL pilots career expectations are much greater than the JB guys. I'd wager the bottom of the list would be heavy JB. Hopefully, we never have to find out how it'd go.
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Old 02-14-2026 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Mickey
With the announcement of the point share with JetBlue, I’ve been hearing a lot of rumors about mergers. Regardless if they hold any credibility, it had me curious, how do mergers typically get handled? How did the continental merger get handled? We’re both carriers Alpa? I understand, or at least I think I do, that the negotiating committees go back and forth, but what would you expect the outcome to be?
here’s how it’s done… seniority numbers are integrated and shuffled until it is reasonably certain that every pilot got screwed and will forever be miserable. Takes a while to figure out, but they’re still batting 1.000
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Old 02-14-2026 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by RSRVWINDSURFR
I agree mostly, but the bottom 25% of UAL pilots career expectations are much greater than the JB guys. I'd wager the bottom of the list would be heavy JB. Hopefully, we never have to find out how it'd go.
That wouldn’t happen. That’s what fences are for.
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Old 02-14-2026 | 09:32 AM
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If company A buys company B, then the pilots at company B should go on the bottom of the seniority list. And vice versa. The buying company is taking over, so those employees should get priority.
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Old 02-14-2026 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by HwkrPlt
If company A buys company B, then the pilots at company B should go on the bottom of the seniority list. And vice versa. The buying company is taking over, so those employees should get priority.
Which is exactly why there are laws that have to be followed.

The legislation, known as the McCaskill-Bond statute, was signed into law in December 2007 and is codified at 49 U.S.C. § 42112.

https://vlex.com/vid/seniority-integ...tute-351067646
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Old 02-14-2026 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by PNWFlyer
Which is exactly why there are laws that have to be followed.

The legislation, known as the McCaskill-Bond statute, was signed into law in December 2007 and is codified at 49 U.S.C. § 42112.

https://vlex.com/vid/seniority-integ...tute-351067646
Unless you're in the bottom company, that's a bummer.
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Old 02-14-2026 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ugleeual
If we merge, which I doubt, the top 25% of the integration list will be primarily United with some senior JB sprinkled in… middle 50% will be about even, and bottom 25% will lean more United with junior JB sprinkled in with more towards the bottom. Bottom line is nobody happy except the top 25% at United and the handful of senior JB pilots who get sprinkled into seniority’s that can hold WB CA (with some minor fences)… most ****ed off will be the United pilots in the 50-70% seniority range at the time of snapshot… they’ll be upset on how they merge in with JB pilots who will probably be junior to them in total seniority at each company.

Whatever the case we do t have a say…
there would be zero JB pilots ahead of the top 25%. Almost all have more longevity then JB has been in existence. Have better career expectations, and 80% bring better seat and status. Theres your three pillars that must be looked at.
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